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[–] Binksley 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Or, I dunno, Just unpin the tiles and shrink the start menu.

Untwist the panties my friend. Its just an OS.

Frankly I haven't used start All Programs since they added search in Vista.

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[–] repoman [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I have so many apps that I can't remember the name of that one that I use for e-Books. If I get a full list in a "pop-over" menu instead of that lame little list that shows maybe 8-10 apps at a time, I can spot "Calibre" quickly instead of having to scroll around through the list.

That also lets me compare all apps to see if I already have an app to do something particular so I don't install FastStone when I already have IrfanView for example.

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[–] ErrorFoxDetected 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

Launchy and/or use the damn search?

And don't blame them for your own inability to remember the name of something.

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[–] 1250152? 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I must be missing something here... but once you unpin all the default programs from the start menu and shrink it down.... you have the classic Start Menu.

You hit "All apps", just like you would on 7 (I think it's All Programs). You get displayed a list of all the apps (Modern UI and win32) that you have installed, just like on 7 (no Modern UI stuff, but to be totally fair, you can simply run a command on 10 to get rid of them all). Only difference is that on 10, you get a giant letter heading to tell what position of the alphabet you are on the list (and if that's a complaint, then you really must be grasping at straws to find something wrong imo :p)

And once you find the program you want... you click it. It starts. Same exact behavior on 7 and 10.

So am I missing something, or is this huge rant about not wanting to simply remove the default apps and resize the start menu (or aka, complaining about defaults that you can fre?

Images just so people don't assume I'm lying or something (: http://puu.sh/j83mI.jpg http://puu.sh/j83oI.jpg

Just for more insight, I happen to find Modern UI apps pretty limited for the most part. The Movies & TV app can't handle more than half of my media (mostly mkvs; missing subs, corrupted subs, crashing when I try to enable subs, black screens, etc). The Music app can't play back something as simple as a .ogg (or even .oga which is just a .ogg with the extension specifying audio). The Xbox Game DVR doesn't work unless you use the game in Windowed mode, and even then, lacks some pretty important settings. Those were the only apps I was really interested in, and they failed at basic functionality. The fix for me is to simply keep using the programs I've been using for years (MPC-HC, foobar2000, and either Open Broadcaster Software or MSI Afterburner).

So what do I do about these "useless" Modern UI apps? I remove them. That's it. I can complain that they're needlessly installed on a clean install, but when I can run a single command to get rid of majority of them (until Edge and Cortana get included), I have no complaints. The OS doesn't break, and I'm not missing a thing (as of 10162 I think; earlier 10 builds would end up broken one way or another).

So I remove the apps, get rid of traces of any that happen to be left around, install the win32 apps I'm used to using, and that's that. Windows 10 works just as well as previous versions of Windows without problem.

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[–] repoman [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

How useful is it to see a list of ~10 apps at a time versus a menu showing ALL your apps at once like the good old pop-over menu? That UI sucks ass because you have to scroll around to see the full list of apps... I want to see them all in one spot so I can see what my options are and whether I already have an app that will do what I want instead of having to install a new one.

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[–] LochNessMonsta 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

They should make it an option to have the tiles in your start menu. Like have them on there by default so a lot of people would leave them there, but give you a checkbox to turn them off and have just a normal start menu.

As far as I know they do give you the option to use the Windows 8 startscreen instead of the menu, so why not be able to do it the other way around as well?

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[–] janx 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

It is an option. You can just unpin the tiles and the start menu will shrink down until it's just the lefthand bar. Then you have your "All apps" option which brings up an alphabetical list.

The rant this post is about is from someone who clearly has anger issues that hasn't really looked at customising the start menu. The all apps list is no different to the original all programs list, except that it now features jump lists - clicking lets to let you quickly switch to another letter on the list. Something that the OP should greatly welcome if they have loads of apps to scroll through.

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[–] LochNessMonsta 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

That's perfect. I didn't know this was possible, since I didn't install the preview. I was assuming that op tried everything to get rid of the tiles and it wasn't possible, which would be strange.

Thank you for clearing this up. :)

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[–] repoman [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

What if I forgot the name of the app and just want to pick it from a big list of ALL apps that appear on the screen in one view instead of scrolling all day?

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[–] repoman [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

THIS GUY GETS IT

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[–] MaxDragon 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I personally have never cared for the tiles either. The old start button that brings up a list of (mostly) all installed programs was just a great way of doing things the way I like to do them.

Others feel different and use their PCs different. Why MS chose to change one way completely for another instead of having 2 different ways nativly built in is beyond me.

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[–] repoman [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I had high hopes that they learned their lesson and would be bringing back the legacy start menu. What a sucker I am for thinking MS gave a shit about productivity and user experience when they're so clearly fixated on touchscreen-friendly bullshit.

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[–] repoman [S] 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

And now Metro tiles are unavoidable unlike Win 8 where you could at least ignore the damn tiles. Thank you Jebus for the miracle time machine that is Classic Shell!

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[–] skidmark-steve 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

What I hate about the tiles is that the font is still very small. I'm a low vision user. If you're going to waste a lot of screen with giant tile buttons, you can at least make the text bigger by default... or just implement pinch-to-zoom.

Try using the Windows Magnifier on a touch screen device.... just try it! You get giant boarders around the edges that you must slide along to pan around (and you can't just point to where you want it to move), like on IOS/Android. Its an exercise in frustration and it makes me want to chuck this thing.

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[–] eliminatorboatduel 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Wait I'm confused. can't you just unpin all of the tiles?

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[–] repoman [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Yes, but how can you see a single list of ALL your programs without having to scroll up or down since that dinky Start menu no longer pops over to show everything in one big, neat list like the All Programs cascading menus?

The beauty of that is it lets you get a nice picture of what all you have installed to tell whether you have a program like Paint.Net already that will do the job so you needn't bother installing GIMP.