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[–] DoucheBagMcGee 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Come on over to /v/AskGoats! It's an uphill battle, but I think we got this. I just made it like an hour ago, so any users I can steal from that other, SJW sub would be awesome!

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[–] PM-me-about-Autism 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I suspect @atko will let whoever is most successful out of the askvoat replacements replace them.

Good luck.

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[–] TypicalBetaNeckbeard 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

There is /v/askgoat and /v/askvoat2 already though. Good luck with yours, let the best one win.

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[–] Stoic 19 points 16 points (+35|-19) ago  (edited ago)

Once upon a time (one month ago) this was a wildy popular idea. /v/disagreebutton is apolitical, meant to combat the toxic atmosphere that we all knew from Reddit to remove dissent. It isn't a SJW sub, which is what you are suggesting it is.

It's not a brigading sub that downvotes comments, but upvotes those that got downvoted for dissenting (not for having a poor quality). If a post doesn't adhere to what the sub it is posted in considers a quality post, then it should be ignored or if it's shitty downvoted. Quality being not a matter of how eloquent you are: you can't post an essay about quantum mechanics in /v/funny and then post it in /v/disagreebutton expecting it to be restored.

Don't pretend like the abuse of the downvote button to silence dissent isn't a problem, that it is a SJW sub and like /v/disagreebutton can't solve that problem. If the majority likes to be naïve in thinking Voaters wont abuse the downvote button and that we are better than Redditors, then i'll delete it.

You are trying to start a baseless witchhunt by trying to relate me to srs, and I find it immoral that you have done this. Because you either haven't investigated the intent of the sub and just write harmful stuff about someone without knowing your stuff, or you are lying.

Edit: You claim to have found a connection between people defending /u/she (meaning they are SJW's) and people being active on /v/disagreebutton. But @Spacerosa was and is strongly against /v/disagreebutton.

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[–] gatordontplaythatsht [S] 5 points 16 points (+21|-5) ago 

Don't pretend like the abuse of the downvote button to silence dissent isn't a problem

You're literally making my point for me, /v/disagreebutton is literally abuse of the down vote and up vote. You logic is flawed, voting wasn't what destroyed reddit, it was corrupt moderation and administration. Your sub is not a "popular" idea, it's practically empty and lacking any real support, and for good reason; it's a bad idea, badly implemented and biased as it could possibly be. Please take the sub down.

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[–] mindful 4 points 9 points (+13|-4) ago 

Although the sub seems to be an anti-vote-manipulation-manipulation this in itself is still a manipulation.

It isn't a SJW sub, which is what you are suggesting it is.

That's not exactly what /u/gatordontplaythatsht said. He said:

/v/disagreebutton is a sub modded by @stoic designed around manipulating votes on comments they deem should be higher or lower (srs anyone?)

I'm not sure how to exactly differentiate between SRS and SJW's. But isn't SRS a subreddit and SJW a term for an individual? Even if they overlap in some views, it's not the same.

If the majority likes to be naïve in thinking Voaters wont abuse the downvote button and that we are better than Redditors, then i'll delete it.

You can't prohibit people from abusing downvote's. Atko at least tried to make it harder for people to downvote. I don't think your approach is the right way to the problem, though i don't have a suggestion myself.

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[–] NyteKeller 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

A brigade is a brigade. Voat manipulation is voat manipulation. Who the fuck are you to decide what should be upvoated and what shouldn't, you slimy little worm?

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[–] Stoic 3 points -3 points (+0|-3) ago 

I Don't decide, the community who does the upvoting does.

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[–] gatordontplaythatsht [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I think it's a terrible idea, and people should up or down vote however they like. I totally disagree with that down voat as a disagree button nonsense and think the community is fine with the voting system as is. Please remove the sub.

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[–] CANCEL-CAT-FACTS 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

They even announce it in their sidebar --

/v/disagreebutton is a verse that can be called into action when someone is being downvoted for having a dissenting opinion. Unless it was edited, we will either restore the comment with the points it deserved or futher downvote it if quality or politeness were lacking

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[–] gatordontplaythatsht [S] 3 points 6 points (+9|-3) ago 

Literally the most SRS thing I've seen on voat yet, and @stoic is defending it.

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[–] mindful 1 points 8 points (+9|-1) ago 

Does anybode have an statement from Atko about vote manipulation?

This announcement by him was the only official thing i could find that talks about it. It's does not make clear if it is illegal on voat, he just opens with:

"Today I finally had some time to catch up on long-overdue anti-vote-manipulation mechanism which voat was lacking."

which in my view makes clear that vote-manipulation is something he is trying to stop.

The behaviour which /u/Stoic and the whole /u/disagreebutton sub promotes is should have no place here on voat. It may be hard to track vote-manipulation and prohibit it, but a subverse which outright promotes this kind of stuff should not be supported here.

What should we do about this?

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[–] gatordontplaythatsht [S] 2 points 14 points (+16|-2) ago 

They're trying to manipulate voting by linking to instances where they disagree with how the community has voted, as far as I know that is a blatant violation of vote manipulation rules.

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[–] TalkingAnimal 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

It's kind of silly when you think about it. You can't really enforce what an upvoat or downvoat is for. If someone says, "Hey, here's a post you may think doesn't contribute to the community, check it out," and a bunch of people go there, agree it doesn't contribute to the community, and downvoat it, that meets the definition of "brigading," yet that seems like a perfectly logical thing to allow. I mean, that's essentially what /v/bestof is, except in reverse.

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[–] escape 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

Holy shit. What the fuck is wrong with the mods on this website?!

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[–] sarsin 2 points 5 points (+7|-2) ago 

The SJWs love to talk about "safe spaces" - where ppl can go and just be themselves without threat or duress -- unless they don't like what is being said in those "safe spaces" -- then they find a way to raid them into submission-- they remind me of 4chan (except of course less creative and actually are delusional enough to think they are the good guys).

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[–] 1761645? 2 points 5 points (+7|-2) ago 

Upvoat for visibility. I honestly think SJW_AskVoat should just be abandoned at this point. Unless all of the mods are demodded it just isnt trustworthy. We'll just end up back here again in a few months.

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