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[–] dingomeat 0 points 24 points (+24|-0) ago 

What are the warning signs?

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[–] Plant_Boy 3 points 3 points (+6|-3) ago 

And remember... Bottle Caps.

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[–] Alias_Unknown 0 points 33 points (+33|-0) ago 

That's some solid advice Atko.

Saving this in hopes of never needing it.

I remember you talking briefly about your experience during the Serbian conflict previously. But it's hard for me to even imagine such a hellish and demoralizing atmosphere that you've been through.

God speed, king of the Goats.

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[–] Zebezian 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

If you begin using this (as in, preparing) by the time you already need it, you're probably too late to do much about anything. That's my take on it, at least.

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[–] Lindeed 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

This is a valid point. Don't wait until it's too late. Grab what you can now. It's not expensive; get yourself a lot of honey (you can keep it forever, rich in sugars and other things you'll need). Canned food (if you're from EU - it last longer than it shows on the box due to EU requirements). Astronaut food is great - easy to storage, long lasting, rich in everything you need. Buy any medicine you think you don't need every day - it might save your life during conflict and medicine is really long lasting. Buy yourself several sets of good, quality clothes. Unless you live in a place that has nice climate of ~20c all the time then you'll either need something for cold (easier) or hotness (harder). Backpack - fit it with anything you may need in a situation of evacuation. GOLD - yes, cigs are wroth a lot. Alcohol is worth a lot. But if you need something done, if you need to left the city, if you need to bribe someone - you won't bring him thousands of cigs. There's several ex-KGB (and other Russian officers) guides - what to do when war come and how to prepare for it. I recommend you reading them.

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[–] Alias_Unknown 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

That's fair enough. I doubt I'll have access to Voat much less the internet if this sort of situation occurs. But it's definitely a good reference to start preparing.

Shit.... I think I just qualified myself to sub to v/preppers.

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[–] Salicaz 0 points 17 points (+17|-0) ago 

Jesus Atko! This reads like the game This War Of Mine, I think it's called, but way less fun.

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[–] go1dfish 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

That's the whole point of that game.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_War_of_Mine

It was inspired by what civilians went through in the Bosnian War (Which IIRC is the same war Atko went through)

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[–] Lindeed 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

More realistic is less fun. People stink. People die from diseases that could be treated within few days with the right medicine. People are turning into animals. If you're not from Europe region then you might want to read about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_Wars - not so long enough, horror for millions of peoples. Report (both from UN soldiers and people who survived) are terrifying. You can't kill military outpost by yourself (like in This War of Mine). You can die from sniper bullet anywhere. You can be killed for few cigs you have.

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[–] FeelinFroggy 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I appreciate your words and thoughts, Atko. I really hadn't thought you'd seriously dive into your personal experiences with this sort of thing, so to see you take such a no-nonsense subject that is obviously very personal and try to give everyone a glimpse - that's above and beyond, truly and honestly.

As you said yourself, may we never have to use these pieces of advice. May bright days come for all of us - but if the clouds roll in, I'll appreciate the advice even more.

Thank you, again.

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[–] buggernuts 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

Thank you for the information Atko, although I'm sorry you came about this knowledge first-hand.

There are several things I had not thought of in your list. I'm not a prepper, but in today's world...

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[–] Rellik88 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Is it safer to not be armed as a civilian, because you'll be seen as a soldier? Was crime a problem?

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[–] Skyrock 0 points 18 points (+18|-0) ago 

You'll be seen as a combatant, and just you (and whoever holes out/flees with you) will face someone who outguns and most likely out-intelligences you. Unless you want to become actually involved in the war as a partisan, an openly carried gun will probably do more harm than good.

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[–] etzefeck 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

Be armed but always concealed. Open carrying makes you a combatant.

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[–] glennvtx 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

it is always more safe to be armed, just conceal that fact.

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[–] MCVoat 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

Someone needs to write a book.

"Atko: The King of Goats"

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[–] CONGLOM-O 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

Any other advice for having 2 small children that might not be obvious?

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[–] Lobotomy 4 points 8 points (+12|-4) ago  (edited ago)

Ditch 'em if you want to live. I wish I was kidding.

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[–] CONGLOM-O 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Do you have kids?

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[–] DownByTheRiver 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

There won't be any school.

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