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[–] Guerilla 6 points 37 points (+43|-6) ago 

I agree, it's an oligarchy.

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[–] whynotanon1 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

It's actual a Republic, but the life cycle of Republics always move to oligarchies, even Rome followed this path. Once the powerful have captured and corrupted their way into making the laws the Republic "rule by law" becomes Oligarch "rule by few".

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[–] cynoclast 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

Specifically an imperialistic plutocracy.

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[–] rwbj 0 points 17 points (+17|-0) ago 

A direct democracy is a system where citizens are able to directly vote on laws and generally able to propose them as well. A democratic republic, which is what we're supposed to be, means the citizens vote in representatives who then are free to do as they please. If we're not able to actually have our votes count for representatives then I'm not really sure what we are, but it's not a democracy of any sort.

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[–] RedditIsPropaganda23 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

It's Taxation without Representation. Our representatives don't represent us.

They do Not have my consent to Govern.

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[–] SilverBanana 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago 

All democracies in the world safe for Netherlands use similar math. I would also opt for different system.

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[–] 4229786? 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Even the Republicans are talking about using superdelegates to stop Trump from getting their nomination.

So we knew before that the system was corrupt, but now we can plainly see that just about every single part of the system that can be corrupt, is, and they aren't even bothering to jump through the hoops to hide that fact anymore.

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[–] InternetUser 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

It says 4 Democrat delegates haven't been allotted yet. Wouldn't they go to Sanders?

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[–] MCVoat 1 points 35 points (+36|-1) ago 

wow this is disgusting.

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[–] BoringSupreez 1 points 16 points (+17|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Much as I dislike Hillary, what did Sanders expect? Hillary has been an asset to the Democrat party for decades, while Sanders wanted to play by his own rules until about 4 years ago. Sanders just waltzes in to the party and expects all the elites to throw in for him, instead of the one who's been paying her dues all along?

The Democrat party is not a government organization in itself. They can do whatever they want with these delegates and votes, even if it seems unfair.

I'm starting to think we should add a chapter to US Government highschool textbooks explaining how political parties and primaries work.

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[–] G4 0 points 27 points (+27|-0) ago 

You can know how something works and still be disgusted by it

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[–] User_deleted 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Are you seriously telling me that there are is no education on how your election process works in schools? Guess it would be a too much of a hassle if people would actually know how they are governed.

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[–] weezkitty 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I'm starting to think we should add a chapter to US Government highschool textbooks explaining how political parties and primaries work.

Hint: They don't.

The current election system fucking sucks

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[–] TheodoreKent 1 points 28 points (+29|-1) ago 

Holy Shit, sometimes the veil is pulled back, and you realize the system isn't just partially rigged, but totally rigged against us. Neat.

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[–] fagnig 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

Holy Shit, sometimes the foreskin in pulled back, and you realize the glans isn't just caked in smegma, but infected with STD's. Lice.

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[–] REALJOHNCENA69 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Well, there goes my lunch.

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[–] ThePolymath 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago 

I believe that actually could happen. I have spoken to several people that have said if Hillary gets the nomination over Bernie they would vote for Trump. Small sample size, but I bet there are many more people out there that feel the same.

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[–] common_sense 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

But there's also a bunch of hardcore libs that would never vote Republican ever.

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[–] TheCompanionCube 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

Bernie fans will either not vote or look at the republicans. I don't see many of them voting Hillary

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[–] SonOfRobin 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Bernie Fan here. I will not vote for Hillary. Even if Satan was the other candidate(I'd write in). I'm always on the fence on Trump. The snowden thing and mass surveillance bother me. However, the h2b/h1b is my wedge issue along with health care and corrupt bankers.

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[–] ObscureReference 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

Isn't that the typical center left liberal on voat?

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[–] syn0byte 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Trump will not be allowed to run for the same reasons Sanders won't be allowed to run (for their respective major parties anyway).

The RNC is just playing a different game. They are happy to let Trump soak up the spotlight and keep it off whoever they DO want to run (which seems to be Rubio). They will just be more abrupt about kicking Trumps legs out cuz it's Trump man; They can be more overt and still try to take the high ground.

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[–] cynoclast 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

If Hillary wins the nomination I'm writing in Sanders or voting Stein.

The DNC has no one to blame but themselves.

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[–] DoomMantia 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Look, as much as I dislike Trump, if I were an American I'd vote literally ANYTHING before Shillary.

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[–] crazy_eyes 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

Well if that isn't fucked up.

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[–] Internet_Refugee 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

Fuck. Say it aint so.

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[–] flyawayhigh 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

This was the same thing they were complaining about in 2008 -- that Obama could win the vote and Hillary could win the delegates. Eight years later and nothing has been done. This chart apparently means very little unless the victory is even larger.

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[–] Namrok 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

The thing you need to understand is that delegates getting to ignore the popular vote is a feature, not a bug. That's exactly what they want. They'll never allow Bernie to get the nomination, and he's already promised not to run on his own from what I recall.

If they snub Bernie so shamelessly, they are just handing the election to Trump. Anger against the establishment is driving voters more than almost anything else this election cycle. Right now Bernie and Trump have an almost equal share of that anger. If only one of them makes it through the process, they practically have a lock on things.

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[–] MiddleWare 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

This right here. I've heard several liberal friends say that if Sanders gets snubbed due to unethical party actions, that they'll vote for Trump and let the Democratic establishment deal with that for 4 years. It's a scorched earth philosophy but growing numbers on the right and left and getting pretty fed up with their respective establishments.

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[–] theknownuncomic 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Hold up there champ. You're over simplifying things. Super delegates are still a minority of all delegates, and they can change their minds all the way until the end. But it is still true Sanders won the popular NH vote, and the majority of those delegates from NH. The super delegates impact has yet to really be seen even though they are pledged one way at the moment. src - http://people.howstuffworks.com/superdelegate.htm

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[–] FishBoneFredd 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Good info. Thanks for the link.

I understand the need for super delegates. I guess it's one of those things where the establishment has such a tight grip on the entire system that any advantage the establishment holds entices unreasonable rage.

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