Archived Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences (whatever)
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Archived Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences (whatever)
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[–] StateOfMind ago (edited ago)
That is the first amendment. Freedom of speech is the bigger idea that led to the first amendment, but the two are not the same. One is a grand idea, and the other is a legal provision that requires the govt. to adhere to that grand idea.
Private employers can fire people without violating the first amendment, but they are still violating the idea of freedom of speech (which they are legally allowed to do). They cannot fire people for Facebook posts and still claim they believe in the freedom of speech. In a truly free society, the only consequence of speech would be counter-speech in the form of criticism, not losing a job.
[–] p0ssum [S] 1 point 0 points 1 point (+1|-1) ago
Keep in mind the person was able to say what they wanted. Nobody stopped them from having their free speech. What they cannot do is have free speech without fear of reprisal. Yes, you can say what you want, but your employer can fire you for it. Yes, you can say what you want, but the SJW's have JUST as much right to shout you down and say what a terrible person you are. In face there are a number of ways, already in case law that LIMITS speech:
Purely free freedom of speech, or speech without any consequence, does not exist. It cannot exist in an open society. You would have to squelch the speech of others protesting or disagreeing, and that would limit their rights. It's a balance that has been codified in the laws, as detailed above.
[–] StateOfMind ago
Free speech is speech without fear of reprisal. No one can physically stop me from saying something. It is the fear of reprisal that stops me from saying something. SJWs saying I am a terrible person is just counter-speech, not a reprisal. My employer firing me is a reprisal. Citing court cases does not help in this matter, because courts simply sees if the reprisal was legal or not. And private entities are certainly permitted to violate the idea of free speech to a certain extent.