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[–] PM_ME_YOUR_ARCHES [S] 16 points 40 points (+56|-16) ago 

It's really sad. By downvoting things you personally disagree with, you do nothing to improve the site. You just shift the userbase so you gradually end up with a chorus of people that reaffirm your own opinions. It isn't good for any of us, and it isn't good for the people who are doing it, because they are never going to have any input that helps them grow as a person.

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[–] Possible 5 points 15 points (+20|-5) ago 

Expressing ones own preferences with a vote (up or down) never promotes the preferences of others precisely. And the reason is precisely because preferences are not objective.

I get to downvote whatever I prefer in so far as the website allows it. If you feel and think that's not improving things, then your problem is with the site and not it's users. You're irrational, and as a consequence your expectations will not be satisfied.

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[–] clolege 13 points 7 points (+20|-13) ago 

I think this site was legitimately ruined with the downvote feature. I know that if I post my own opinions on this site now, I'll be downvoted to hell and won't ever make the 100 points to become a 'real' user. The current way the voting system is set up is encouraging this hive mind behavior and turning this into a toxic place.

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[–] BlackBetty 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

I have news for you. Every site is an opinion site. I find it astonishing that people here are actually calling for censorship of the front page. Just. Like. Reddit.

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[–] Spiritreader 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Most of the time when I write an extensive comment, like a response with arguments, reasoning, and neat formatting, just before it's all done when I finalize by re-reading I just choose to not post it and throw it away.

All because I might offend someone with that leading into downvoting the post because he disagrees and can't take other opinions. Then the hivemind that's with that guy comes and what happens from there we've all seen.

It feels really bad when you put effort into something and then someone clicks the: "not appropriate / relevant for the discussion" button, which is what it really should be used for.

I wouldn't care if up/downvote count wouldn't determine your credibility so much. Also you often can't write something naive or with a sentiment, because that gets either praised or lynched. And I really like to learn something new when I see that I was in the wrong. It's hard for everyone to accept own mistakes, but we should use them to learn and improve. And people should present other community member's mistakes like this to them, instead of being offended and then reacting in an offensive manner.

This problem is shared on all discussion forums though, and more a problem of humanity, at least that's what I think.

Even this response took me 3 attempts over the course of the day..

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[–] AthleticSharts 5 points 6 points (+11|-5) ago  (edited ago)

Yes, but leftist have moved right. Like way right. In a particularly scary way. Proclaimed "leftists" (I call them that because it's a presumption on their part...they also are now proclaiming themselves as "progressive") now are seeking to prohibit and even regulate free speech. We're seeing true Affected Partisan Polarization (a real term...look it up...not OP, but everyone).

It's really fucked. I'm not sure we can fix it. But Jesus, we should try.

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[–] Hazzman 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Echo Chambering is extremely dangerous.

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[–] eggnogg 11 points -2 points (+9|-11) ago 

Voicing your opinion in a comment is great, opinions masquerading as news are slightly less than great. It's unavoidable though, Fox has been doing it for decades and they've been very successful, it's only natural that others try to copy their methods for fun and profit.

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[–] Scandinavian 2 points 5 points (+7|-2) ago 

Finally, you came out of hiding.

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[–] pilot_2 4 points 57 points (+61|-4) ago 

Too many people here think that a right wing circle jerk is necessary in order to counter what they see as left wing circle jerks elsewhere. They are wrong. The way to counter any circle jerk is by developing a space that is not a circle jerk at all. A place that is fueled by freedom of expression and rational discourse. Voat still has the potential to be that space (one of the few sites that do) so it's up to us to determine what we make of it.

You guys are becoming your own worst enemy by discouraging ideas that you don't like.

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[–] meskanda 10 points 29 points (+39|-10) ago  (edited ago)

I hated the Social Justice Warrior safe space nonsense of reddit but voat is basically the opposite these days with constant right wing fear mongering, muslim hate, etc... don't get me wrong I want balanced viewpoints but I just wish some rationale and intelligent discourse was the norm. We're all humanity in the end. Lets try to see positive side of things and each other.

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[–] Scandinavian 3 points 28 points (+31|-3) ago  (edited ago)

But you're free to disagree. That's the difference. People aren't allowed to disagree once the SJW/PC agenda has moved in.

I live in Europe. We're in the middle of a huge demographic crisis that's being sold to us as a 'good thing'. Even if we know what comes next, because it's not the first wave of immigrants from that area: more crime, more costs, more raped women, more brutal violence, more demands for special treatment due to religion and so on.

E-ve-ry-ti-me you try to discuss this pretty much anywhere, there's an army of people ready to use your arguments as a platform to show how they're 'better' people by using name-calling to silence you. That is, 'better people' who advocate these negative consequences for the rest of us without arguments, but due to 'how it feels good'.

I won't censor my objection to how things are playing out to please you. But I will engage in a sane discussion with you as long as you refrain from using dirty debate tricks to silence me.

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[–] BoiseNTheHood 15 points 16 points (+31|-15) ago 

The only times I ever see these butthurt posts that boil down to "stop linking to websites that disagree with me politically," it's always leftists trying to censor non-leftist websites and never the other way around.

I absolutely loathe Salon, Vox, DailyKos, HuffPo, and all the Soros-funded sites that get posted here on a daily basis, but I'd never want them to be censored. Yet some people apparently can't handle seeing a link to Breitbart, or the Daily Mail, or another one of the many sites that nobody is forcing them to click a link to.

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[–] pilot_2 2 points 18 points (+20|-2) ago 

The truth is non-partisan. Any source should be called out if they have bias in their reporting, regardless of what side of the political spectrum they lie.

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[–] Loumedia 10 points 4 points (+14|-10) ago 

Every single time one of these are posted, it's liberals crying about discourse.

Since I've joined, I've seen this post once a week, with a different title and bs narrative.

Libs want you to stop bringing up facts. Period. This post is crying about lack of moderation. So easy to see through.

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[–] NotAnUndercoverCop 10 points 0 points (+10|-10) ago 

... and you're one of the biggest dicks of them all.

Crazy how you magically showed up. Did someone say your name three times? Are you beetlejuice?

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[–] EEE 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I think the main problem is that Voat is a clone of Reddit, and it inherits Reddit's problem that at the end of the day, it's all a popularity contest.

Those that say or submit things the majority agrees with get rewarded with Internet Points, those that don't get alienated and leave, and eventually you get a circlejerk/hivemind of one kind or another.

The problem is that the voting system is very one-dimensional. Most people will not upvoat things whey disagree with, and they will downvoat if they can. Why wouldn't they? And so, if someone posts something controversial they get the same feedback as if they post something distasteful. It just doesn't promote discussion.

I've seen a few Voat users suggest a multi-dimensional system which I would be less polarizing - have a number of different vote types, similar to slashdot. Instead of a just upvote/downvote have reasons - insightful, funny, informative or troll, redundant, etc. It makes much more sense to mark a well-written post that you disagree with as insightful rather than upvote it as if you agree with it. Maybe even add explicit agree/disagree buttons. More buttons would make it more difficult to just vote mindlessly.

And then, let users choose how to sort them: Do I want to see the funniest comments or most informative? Do I want to see the most controversial comments or an echo chamber?

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[–] CANCEL-CAT-FACTS 2 points 42 points (+44|-2) ago 

I ignore what I don't like, subscribe to and contribute to what I do like, and I and let others do their own thing. Works for me.

I like your posts in v/bestofliveleak but if you post something I dislike or disagree with, I'm happy to keep going and find something else to click on. Thanks.

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[–] BlackBetty 2 points 9 points (+11|-2) ago 

OMG. An adult on the internet. You're like a unicorn or something. I've heard you don't need trigger warnings either. Is this true?

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[–] Ben77 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

You sir have discovered the secret of happiness and mental wellbeing!

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[–] weezkitty 4 points 28 points (+32|-4) ago  (edited ago)

You are censoring yourselves and have created a hivemind that is no different from the one that exists on Reddit.

I just don't think you can avoid it. This kind of site breeds hive minds.

I do think it has gone a bit too far right wing but it may balance out over time. Being far left is no better

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[–] intrepiddemise 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Is this the same "right wing" site that literally had a link to the Socialist Worker's of the World blog on the front page the other day? The same site that is in love with Bernie Sanders? I agree about the circlejerk, but I think it's more of an extremist circlejerk than a right/left circlejerk. I've seen Daily Mail and Breitbart links, but I've also seen HuffPo and Slate. I've seen conspiracy blogs and ZeroHedge and Russia Today and everything in between. BLOGS ARE NOT NEWS SOURCES, AND GOVERNMENT-SPONSORED "NEWS" IS PROPAGANDA.

And while we're complaining about this, can I just be the first one to mention the influx of people brigading threads whenever Putin or Russia or Islamic State are mentioned? The purpose of this site is to spread information, not propaganda.

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[–] Gizurr 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

So, blogs are not new sources. Government sponsored networks are not a news source. All the rest of the TV and newspaper networks are owned or run by corporations or Jews. So, what's left? What would you consider a 'valid' source of news? Every major news outlet, newspaper or network is 100% owned, controlled, and manipulated.

Another thing that you haven't considered is that there my be professional trolls... managed by Governments and corporations who are here for the sole purpose of managing and directing the conversation. They view social media as a new weapon and engage in warfare with it.

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[–] 123_456 4 points 20 points (+24|-4) ago 

I admit sometimes I'm a dick online, but, man, those Fat People Hate users are crazy as shit.

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[–] kltpzyxm 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

My drug of choice is love. And by love i mean percadan.

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[–] Jamie_Dodgems 3 points -3 points (+0|-3) ago 

Well put.

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[–] Ben77 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

Hey, we're not all crazy you know! There are the extremist loons like any community, and the loons are always the loudest. Most of us are just sick of hearing lies being proclaimed as truth, just to cover up gluttony and entitlement.

There are far worse subs on here IMO. That is a good thing though. They are the 'Canaries in the mineshaft'.

The day I stop seeing subs I don't agree with on here, I will worry.

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[–] Tommstein 4 points -3 points (+1|-4) ago 

But if you ban their subverse, they basically cease to exist. With the backwards redneck racists, not so much, they have infested everything.

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[–] didntsayeeeee 0 points 18 points (+18|-0) ago 

I'm fairly fricking right wing, but would happily upvoat things from middle-of-the-road sources if they started appearing on /v/news and /v/politics. I agree that things might be getting a bit too far out of mainstream around here, and I'd like to see a few more discussions which don't end with the consensus that we need to exterminate one ethnic group or another.

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[–] Cacciaguida 5 points 17 points (+22|-5) ago 

what's really been pissing me off has been the wave of antisemitism. I thought that shit died out after ww2 yet there's mouthbreathers who cling to those ideals and downvote anyone who calls them out on their stupidity.

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[–] indiglo_girls 6 points 7 points (+13|-6) ago 

what's really been pissing me off has been the wave of antisemitism

Absolutely, and it's been popping up a lot around the web lately. Sickening.

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[–] Cacciaguida 5 points 3 points (+8|-5) ago 

what is causing it? I know there's plenty of muslims who are antisemitic for some reason, old cultural beliefs or something. And they bring those beliefs when they immigrate, but I'm not sure if that's type of antisemites on voat.

Add to that they're anti-zionists too, which is strange, if you don't like Jews why take away their country? They'll just move to the first world if that happens, and then the antisemites will have them living in 'their own backyard' but bigots aren't the most forward thinking. hmm

To me it comes off as strange, I've never even heard an outspoken antisemite in public before. But yet here they are flapping their gums about Jewish conspiracies.

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[–] Conde_Nast 3 points 16 points (+19|-3) ago 

Lot of complaints about Breitbart and Zerohedge all of a sudden. I was the same shit they did back 5-7 years ago on Reddit to censor certain anti military industrial complex sites. There is no such thing as news any more. It is either opinion or propaganda or something in-between. There are a lot of things wrong with certain subs and mods here, Breitbart ain't one of those problems.

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