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[–] willheim 25 points 157 points (+182|-25) ago  (edited ago)

This is kind of disappointing, @Atko.

Maybe it was just me, but the rhetoric that was being given to the community during the initial stages of growth was that you were planning big things with Voat. "New, innovative features", getting venture capital donors, incorporating, etc etc. You made many, many announcements claiming "big things coming up", with absolutely 0 follow up on most of those claims.

And now, months after, after a period of silence it's suddenly back to being "just a hobby project". It seems to be that you were caught up in the explosive growth, and now that you've realized it isn't sutainable, are pulling back.

We sat through a lot of shit in the beginning. Over 90% downtime, constant DDOS attacks, frozen donations, "controversial subs" being removed just to appease Paypal, complete lack of many basic functionalities and more. But that was all okay because we thought we were all in this together, for the long run.

One month ago, Atko made this, titled 1 month ago called "Voat, the student side-project is now Voat, Inc.!". To me, it sounds like he's saying they've graduated Voat from being just a "side-project" to being a full-fledged entity that they will be working on. And now all of a sudden, they aren't a corporation anymore?

And now I feel like I've been led on only to be discarded as a "side project". Surely I can't be the only one that got this sentiment from the many announcements Atko/Putt made about exciting future developments. Am I being unreasonable?

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[–] 2295222? 3 points 54 points (+57|-3) ago  (edited ago)

Rhetoric? I think you mean casual communication from someone who had a personal project explode into an unpredictable, drama-mired phenomenon overnight. Just because we were inconvenienced by a few days of DDOS and server slowness doesn't mean we're owed anything.

If @Atko can keep Voat a simple platform that supports free speech, that's great, in my book. The content and the rest of it is up to the users. The only big concerns should be whether or not the platform is still functioning for free speech, and whether or not Atko can reasonably support it.

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[–] Summit651 1 point 14 points (+15|-1) ago 

Word. He didn't ask for the reddit cast-off traffic. It just happened. And while that gave a big bump to Voat, will it pay for his retirement? Will it feed his future children? No. It can't even pay the electricity bill. Voat is a labor of love (clearly). If it wasn't it would be the same as any other. If people can't see that that is what makes it special and more meaningful, then bye. This was a great community before and all the reddit shit has done is stir up complaints. I came via reddit before the mass migrations and it is just annoying to see all the bitching (so I block it!!! Thanks for that feature!!!). I think the philosophy of "grow more, post more" just doesn't capture Voat. IDGAF if you are a fat feminist or a men's rights pig. I'm not either. Most of us here aren't either. We just want to share things we find interesting and connect with people that share our interests.

Also relevant- the significance of Voat incorporating is that Atko cannot be personally legally liable in the same way as him solely owning the site as a person. It opens up future opportunities as well, but it doesn't mean he's moving to Silicon Valley or hiring staff. Voat can't be Voat with the level of monetization needed to sustain similar sites. So be happy for Atko's personal success in life and understand this is what it is because it is a labor of love... Or fuck off and shut up... Same to me either way.

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[–] Arotaes_Forgehammer 3 points 11 points (+14|-3) ago 

I have faith that Atko can support it.

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[–] xeemee 14 points 46 points (+60|-14) ago 

start a major project of your own and watch how it can easily diverge from what you intended - we all have big ideas and plans, but putting them into effect is not always as easy as it seems with time, education, family, expense, etc., etc., etc......

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[–] willheim 6 points 51 points (+57|-6) ago  (edited ago)

That's fine. Shit happens.

Obviously there was a reason for the change of rhetoric. Doesn't make it any less disappointing though. If things changed partway through this then cool, make an announcement, discuss possibilities with the community.

But don't make a huge announcement about incorporating Voat only 1 month ago, go completely silent, and then surface to suddenly backpedal on everything.

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[–] Atko [S] 0 points 22 points (+22|-0) ago 

Voat Inc has been reserved a month ago (lookup Delaware corp register) but that is only a tiny step of what we need to go through in order to become a fully functional corporation. I was planning big things with Voat and I still hold onto my dreams, but I also like to keep my feet on the ground and be realistic. Things don't always work out the way you plan (do they ever?) and as I said, only time will tell. I'm confident and hopeful.

Also, we did not remove any "controversial subs" to appease paypal, paypal froze our funds with no warnings. We banned jailbait because we didn't want to risk going to prison. Not banning jailbait could have lead to complete Voat shutdown in this fragile stage.

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[–] tpdplsio 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Did you ever get some resolution to the Paypal thing?

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[–] HowAboutShutUp 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

If it's useful at all I hear Wyoming is supposed to be stupid easy to incorporate in, too.

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[–] McGoat 2 points 8 points (+10|-2) ago 

I feel like Atkos unwanted child...

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[–] BustyChicksFTW 4 points 100 points (+104|-4) ago 

This feels more like an Adieu letter than a debrief.

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[–] Guerilla 32 points 40 points (+72|-32) ago  (edited ago)

After the coontown retard invasion on this site and the constant drama I don't blame him. All my hopes for this place have been crushed the last couple of weeks, the front page is littered now with forum drama and racist crap. And I could maybe overlook the forum drama but not the barrage of racism and hate from the usual morons.

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[–] Psycadet 6 points 31 points (+37|-6) ago  (edited ago)

I just wanted a community where discussions could be open and uncensored and free from all the shitposting and circlejerking that Reddit suffered. I still have my subscribed subreddits without any default subs on the site, but I wanted more variety without being told what I should say or have to siphon through myriads of unfunny posts. Now FPH, Coontown and internal dramas are arguably the vocal majority here its harder to enjoy the site to it's fullest.

Voat has great potential and now has a reasonable sized user base, really now is the most critical time to make changes that will set itself aside from Reddit completely. If something doesn't happen soon the site will crumble, which would be so disappointing.

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[–] Techman 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

Well, that's what happens when you run a site that's for free speech. All of the Reddit rejects came here, which is sad because there actually are some really cool people on Voat.

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[–] Kenyan_Fried_Bats 10 points 6 points (+16|-10) ago 

Wow. Seriously?

Go back to reddit.

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[–] ironic_username 1 point 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

I second you!

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[–] McGoat 2 points 6 points (+8|-2) ago 

Indeed it does. Also it's posted to /v/whatever instead of /v/announcements...

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[–] cryoshon 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Agreed. I'd expect the formal goodbye in another month. I suppose we need a voat alternative now... not going back to reddit.

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[–] maaaaa 11 points 60 points (+71|-11) ago  (edited ago)

Wow! This is insane. All these users, all these eyes and smarts and hearts focused on this one world wide community, and you're going to dump it to learn German. People struggle all their lives be the position of power, influence, and dare I say fame that you're in right now. And you're going to put it on the shelf, not even bequeath it to anyone with the maturity and resources to nurture and protect it????? What?

This is unreal.

There is most certainly here, more than meets the eye.

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[–] p0ssum 11 points 23 points (+34|-11) ago 

There is most certainly here, more than meets the eye.

Yeah, cause a masters program comes along every day.

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[–] Scandinavian 2 points 24 points (+26|-2) ago 

In Europe? Yes. He's a Swedish citizen and as such, Atko will get his entire Msc. financed by the Swedish state. Same with Denmark, where I'm from - if I'd gone for my MSc. abroad, it would've been covered by my govt.

I pay that back heavily in taxes, btw.

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[–] BustyChicksFTW 4 points 0 points (+4|-4) ago 

Not in computer science.

Source: I'm a Software Engineering student with a father with a Masters Degree in Embedded Systems and Electronical Equipment that works with Programmers.

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[–] embers 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago  (edited ago)

He never intended to create a free speech site. See this comment. His heart was never in it. Just a hobby.

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[–] HoneyNutStallmans 1 point 5 points (+6|-1) ago  (edited ago)

His heart was never in it.

Then he had a change of heart, as noted right in that same post. I don't see it as a problem that he used to think otherwise.

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[–] Tommstein 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Damn.

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[–] wafflecopter9001 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

People struggle all their lives be the position of power, influence, and dare I say fame

I'm not sure running a link aggregator website qualifies for any of those.

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[–] Naziadolfhitler ago 

It was a hobby project. Life is about pursuing who you want to be, not submitting to what is thrown on your plate half way.

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[–] oaken 1 point 56 points (+57|-1) ago  (edited ago)

despite popular belief, Voat is still not a corporation

What? Then what does this, titled 1 month ago called "Voat, the student side-project is now Voat, Inc.!" mean? Obviously it will be a "popular belief" if you make a huge stickey'd announcement about it...

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[–] Atko [S] 6 points 43 points (+49|-6) ago 

Sorry about that, but what I said here still stands - Voat is still not a corporation. That announcement from a month ago was premature.

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[–] McGoat 0 points 35 points (+35|-0) ago 

So, what happened? Why did you not incorporate? Why the change of mind? I understand you have personal stuff to deal with, but the title of your incorporation announcement certainly made it look like it was already done.

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[–] Possibly_a_Carrot 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

If there's anything that we as a community can do to help, Atko, please let us know. There are many many of us who want desperately to see Voat succeed, and would be more than happy to lend a helping hand in whatever way we can.

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[–] tpdplsio 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

What happened with it? Don't get discouraged if you hit roadblocks. Ask for help if you need it.

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[–] Tsugumori 2 points 35 points (+37|-2) ago 

Have you considered handing it off to someone else who would be interested in running it full-time? You could register as a non-profit and still be able to hire people to run the thing, while paid exclusively through donations.

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[–] Possibly_a_Carrot 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

I would think that the primary problem with this immediately is that, as Atko said, Voat has not yet made a single dollar of its own money. Donations will help, but they almost certainly will not be enough to cover Voat's expenses in the long run, especially if these employees you mention are to be anything more than volunteers.

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[–] Dereliction 0 points 17 points (+17|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Wikipedia proves that massive sites can function based more or less entirely via donations. It's possible Voat could use the same approach, especially given that the userbase here is highly incentivized to see the site succeed into the long term.

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[–] Phoenix_MD 3 points 7 points (+10|-3) ago 

I heard @she is available...

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[–] Codyrl95 5 points 4 points (+9|-5) ago 

/v/protectvoat would all quiet literally die from simultaneous aneurysms.

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[–] SurvivorType 2 points 34 points (+36|-2) ago 

The Road goes ever on and on

Down from the door where it began.

Now far ahead the Road has gone,

And I must follow, if I can,

Pursuing it with eager feet,

Until it joins some larger way

Where many paths and errands meet.

And whither then? I cannot say.

-- J. R. R. Tolkien

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[–] Jamie_Dodgems 3 points 4 points (+7|-3) ago 

I always upgoat relevant literary quotations.

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[–] SurvivorType 1 point 1 point (+2|-1) ago 

The poem/song immediately came to mind.

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[–] omegletrollz ago 

Maybe someone who doesn't like poetry.

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[–] rwbj 0 points 33 points (+33|-0) ago 

Best of luck with whatever you're moving onto, but having a project with hundreds of thousands of users that you could try to shape into something great is an opportunity that may not ever come along again. Whereas take a gap year now and you'll still have similar education and employment opportunities available should you still desire to pursue them.

So long, and thanks for all the fish.

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[–] Tommstein 1 point 23 points (+24|-1) ago 

For real, ever since Reddit shit the bed Voat has been pissed-away opportunity after pissed-away opportunity.

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[–] Scandinavian 11 points 28 points (+39|-11) ago  (edited ago)

Atko, this feels more like a resignation and I guess the latest month's debacles are the cause.

Do you still feel those of us who support the free speech ideals of Voat "are destroying Voat"? Or are you beginning to see that Voat's only viable market position is to be something else than Reddit's army of American college kids with a PC discourse?

I will admit that without us who fought back to the hostile take-over of AskVoat, things would have been smoother. But it would also have been a dead SJW paradise if we weren't here - why go here when you can get the real safe space on Reddit etc.

(Und: Viel Spass in der Schweiz! :-) )

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[–] tpdplsio 7 points 19 points (+26|-7) ago 

You guys should have let it go after it was de-defaulted. I feel like things are a lot slower after all that drama and now in the last couple days it's all resurfaced. We had a good group that was sensitive to drama and they probably got driven off before they could get settled.

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[–] Scandinavian 9 points 24 points (+33|-9) ago  (edited ago)

We can always discuss the details. Fact of the matter was still that there really aren't actual defaults here and that one of the biggest subs experienced a hostile takeover. Subscriber count was growing along Voat's growth, save for a few thousand subscribers that left in protest.

This is what I advised admins to do before they awared AskVoat to she:

  • Give AskVoat to @system, that way nobody gets to control speech.
  • Live with 5-10 SJWs leaving the site, not your target audience anyway.
  • Keep attracting interesting people who share original and exciting content.

Instead, this happened:

  • Award AskVoat to a hugely unpopular mod who used the 'system/policy' to snatch control.
  • Make sure to tell the community it's "vicious" while doing so.
  • First admin action after the takeover is to agree with a call for banning those downvoating the unpopular Level 1 mod.

I mean, this couldn't have been handled worse if they tried. Atko should stop listening to Puttitout, Moe and Danielflamino. Just because you can type random letters into Github doesn't mean you know who to run a community or that you should get any special community rights.

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