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They've been fighting a soft war with the US for 20 years. They disregard rules they agree to, like manipulating global markets and arming enemies, engage in lawfare, support hostile states, export pollution, spy, propagandize, and steal IP. They created an entire economy around siphoning jobs. But we're a larger part of their trade than they are of ours, so fighting back will absolutely affect them and is winnable. They are no more monolithic than any other state and the Party's authority is predicated mostly on economic improvement.
That doesn't mean corporations aren't traitors, but are you really incapable of understanding that traitors have to have another side to ally with?
All nations - even our allies - are rivals. You can be a traitor to your nation by spying on them for an ally, so logically being a traitor doesn't mean that you were helping an enemy.
All of the things you are describing (save stealing IP perhaps) are things the US does and does quite often. For example, are you aware we export a lot more coal than China does? That doesn't make us bad, but it also doesn't make them bad. If pretty much everyone is doing something can you really say that it is bad?
You're factually correct but omit quite a lot. In the west there is the concept of healthy competition, so that all states being rivals is accepted until it reaches the level of military conflict. China however is targeting one particular state, which brings it above the level of competition.
You invoke the moral relativism of our actions, as if using the weapons you have in a conflict is somehow wrong. But you completely ignore the intent of the weapons being used. China is fighting the U.S., and we for the most part haven't fought back except on the terms we have agreed to in international law.
logically being a traitor doesn't mean that you were helping an enemy.
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[–] TheDaoReveals ago
They've been fighting a soft war with the US for 20 years. They disregard rules they agree to, like manipulating global markets and arming enemies, engage in lawfare, support hostile states, export pollution, spy, propagandize, and steal IP. They created an entire economy around siphoning jobs. But we're a larger part of their trade than they are of ours, so fighting back will absolutely affect them and is winnable. They are no more monolithic than any other state and the Party's authority is predicated mostly on economic improvement.
That doesn't mean corporations aren't traitors, but are you really incapable of understanding that traitors have to have another side to ally with?
[–] LuciusAM ago
All nations - even our allies - are rivals. You can be a traitor to your nation by spying on them for an ally, so logically being a traitor doesn't mean that you were helping an enemy.
All of the things you are describing (save stealing IP perhaps) are things the US does and does quite often. For example, are you aware we export a lot more coal than China does? That doesn't make us bad, but it also doesn't make them bad. If pretty much everyone is doing something can you really say that it is bad?
[–] TheDaoReveals ago
You're factually correct but omit quite a lot. In the west there is the concept of healthy competition, so that all states being rivals is accepted until it reaches the level of military conflict. China however is targeting one particular state, which brings it above the level of competition.
You invoke the moral relativism of our actions, as if using the weapons you have in a conflict is somehow wrong. But you completely ignore the intent of the weapons being used. China is fighting the U.S., and we for the most part haven't fought back except on the terms we have agreed to in international law.
This doesn't make sense.