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[–] Blood-is-Nature ago 

because only free creatures are capable of love

Such a shame that those are in bondage to the belief towards a deity then. Anyway, did you know that love and hate are not natural states, but umbrella terms that hide all kinds of natural process like our survial instincts, the maternal and paternal instincts, all our senses reacting to differences, countless chemical reactions coming from all of this etc? Those umbrella terms seem to me like rhetorical tricks to once again diminish human comprehension of the laws of nature, while also opening up the possibility to slip corrupt meanings under the umbrellas. Must be a coincidence that the perfidious entry of criminal contract law into the natural union between male and female; called marriage license, was sold under the umbrella of love? They also sealed the deal with a ring; called jewelry, which put the entire diamond industry, the valentines racket, the sacrifice of life essence within flowers etc. under the umbrella of love. What about the sexual liberation agenda leading to sodomy, abortion, incest, child abuse and so on? Yep; free love, baby. "Make love; not war" also gave us all the drugs. Isn't that lovely, And "hate" obviously is the driving force to promote all wars and small er conflicts, and even sold the lie of racism to us as well the current hate-speech censorship.

It's so easy to fool people with rhetoric as long as they BELIEVE.

But we can never escape Him, because He is everything.

No; we are part of the sum of all things that sustains this ecosystem. Creation is not based on the ONE; you can only create with the ALL. They tricked you into accepting hedonism (the ONE) to break our unity (the ALL). The sum of all things is necessary for any creation to happen.

Nature follows the laws of physics

You mean as in theoretical physics? You do noticed that science is not about teaching us to comprehend nature better, but vetting how much of nature other humans allow us to comprehend? How selfish of those hedonists to do that.

There is no obvious point in time when the computer you're reading this on began to exist.

Everything within this ecosystem already exists, and existed since its inception. Go back in time to the first invention of anything and all the material to build a computer was already available. It's us lacking the comprehension of how to put it all together.

In fact mathematicians and scientists often talk about "The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Mathematics in the Natural Sciences" (famous paper).

Good for them, but unlike you I don't worship idols. Science, mathematics, authors, titles, distributors, copyrights, awards (famous paper). No thanks, I stay with the laws of nature. False authority is not my thing. Remember the first amendment? You just broke it.

perfect doesn't change, otherwise it wouldn't be perfect

Do I have to point out that you can only comprehend perfection, if you comprehend a flaw and vice versa?

And so we are living in a universe

Are we? Which idol of authority do I have to worship to believe that? This is an enclosed ecosystem and a bunch of trickster are trying to diminish it by making it look insignificant in the big picture.

It's our inability to maintain perfection that causes decay and destruction in the world.

No, it's us shirking our responsibility to struggle to maintain the balance in between order and chaos. It's the belief in things like perfection (unattainable goals based on selfish wants) that create the shirking of responsibility. We now our goal since inception; it's death, yet humans are still chasing after make believe substitutes (promise of heaven) based on the fear of dying.

I believe these things are true

And that's the problem. Restricting comprehension to assumptions.

as a scientist

I should've read that before. So which shoe fits? Nondisclosure agreements, stranglehold of the military industrial complex to withhold and vet knowledge based on nature (translates to "nature made you, but we don't allow you to know about it, because it's dangerous" ), criminal funding, cult of personality surrounding the lab-coat, facilitation of endless genocides through the pharmaceutical cartel, political agendas, when funds based on delivering results favor lies over truths, backstabbing, the indoctrination and destruction of human intellect through the education system, the destruction of human health through the healthcare system, science being today at the forefront of censorship against logic and reason...and the list goes on.

Why do you think mathematics describes reality so well, out of curiosity?

I don't think that mathematics describe nature well to a duck, but both me and the duck can adapt to each other and learn valuable information from each other. It's as if reality is based on perception, and that there are different ways to perceive things? Adaptation is great; I can even apply math to it. Did you know that there's no 0 in nature? Fascinating, what human liars can pull of.

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[–] zxcvbnasdf ago 

You have a truly fascinating mind. This is enjoyable. Thank you.

Such a shame that those are in bondage to the belief towards a deity then.

I'm not in bondage at all. In fact that's what makes Christianity so beautiful to me. Christianity is entirely about controlling one's passions in order to understand nature. To be able to interrogate it and burn away anything that is not true, and only keep that which is true. It's perfectly in line with what you want, the only thing you're asked to do is believe that the truth exists, and that God loves you. That's it. What bondage is there in that?

Must be a coincidence that the perfidious entry of criminal contract law into the natural union between male and female; called marriage license, was sold under the umbrella of love?

The reason marriage is a contract between man and woman is because societies collapse when this is not the norm. Look at the west today. Falling marriages, birth rates down the tubes, and a complete destruction of the family. All by (((who)))? Coincidence? No. Planned.

No; we are part of the sum of all things that sustains this ecosystem. Creation is not based on the ONE; you can only create with the ALL. They tricked you into accepting hedonism (the ONE) to break our unity (the ALL). The sum of all things is necessary for any creation to happen.

This is yet another beautiful aspect of Christianity. God appears to us not as one, but as a Trinity. As three persons with one nature. God the father, Jesus the son, and the Holy Spirit. From time immemorial God has been teaching us the difference between the many and the one. To understand how we're all individuals, and yet at the same time one in Him. It's profoundly beautiful, and I agree with what you're saying.

You mean as in theoretical physics? You do noticed that science is not about teaching us to comprehend nature better, but vetting how much of nature other humans allow us to comprehend? How selfish of those hedonists to do that.

I notice that some people use it that way, yes. But I've found, performing science myself, that I am more than capable of interrogating nature for myself, as you want. I just do it in a systematic way that allows me to make complex predictions of the future based on the past and the present. Is that not what you want?

Everything within this ecosystem already exists, and existed since its inception. Go back in time to the first invention of anything and all the material to build a computer was already available. It's us lacking the comprehension of how to put it all together.

Very complicated. If that's true, then you are never born, and you never die, correct?

Good for them, but unlike you I don't worship idols. Science, mathematics, authors, titles, distributors, copyrights, awards (famous paper). No thanks, I stay with the laws of nature. False authority is not my thing. Remember the first amendment? You just broke it.

I don't know what you mean by "the laws of nature"?

Also I'm not Congress, and I make no laws, so I can't violate the first amendment.

Do I have to point out that you can only comprehend perfection, if you comprehend a flaw and vice versa?

I agree completely that I can only comprehend perfection if I find a flaw. That's a very astute and good point. However I don't think Perfect needs to comprehend the flaw to know He's Perfect, because He is Perfect. I think these truths will be made known to us in Heaven.

Are we? Which idol of authority do I have to worship to believe that? This is an enclosed ecosystem and a bunch of trickster are trying to diminish it by making it look insignificant in the big picture.

"Universe" just means "all the physical stuff around us". I should have said "nature", I think.

No, it's us shirking our responsibility to struggle to maintain the balance in between order and chaos. It's the belief in things like perfection (unattainable goals based on selfish wants) that create the shirking of responsibility.

Maintaining the balance between order and chaos is absolutely an aspect of obtaining perfection.

We now our goal since inception; it's death, yet humans are still chasing after make believe substitutes (promise of heaven) based on the fear of dying.

I don't think our goal is death. Death is inevitable, but that doesn't make it a goal. I sincerely hope you don't think death is the goal. What do you mean by this?

And that's the problem. Restricting comprehension to assumptions.

Have I not demonstrated comprehension?

I should've read that before. So which shoe fits? Nondisclosure agreements, stranglehold of the military industrial complex to withhold and vet knowledge based on nature (translates to "nature made you, but we don't allow you to know about it, because it's dangerous" ), criminal funding, cult of personality surrounding the lab-coat, facilitation of endless genocides through the pharmaceutical cartel, political agendas, when funds based on delivering results favor lies over truths, backstabbing, the indoctrination and destruction of human intellect through the education system, the destruction of human health through the healthcare system, science being today at the forefront of censorship against logic and reason...and the list goes on.

On me? None and all, just like you, I suppose. I'm against those things, as they are not of God.

I don't think that mathematics describe nature well to a duck

Are you a duck? Do you have the same cognitive capacity as a duck? Or do you have more cognitive capacity than a duck?

Adaptation is great

But is it true?

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[–] Blood-is-Nature ago  (edited ago)

Have I not demonstrated comprehension?

Yes, comprehension restricted to the set of rules you set for yourself (beliefs) and against natural reality. You understand what you allow yourself to understand, and you use it to justify against that which you don't understand, yet nature is about adaptation to constant change; to constant new information that you don't understand. Beliefs contradict reality. The talmud contradicts beliefs. See how this all works hand in hand?

On me? None and all, just like you, I suppose. I'm against those things, as they are not of God.

Yet you still help them to uphold the deception called "science" that is being used to sell all those crimes to your fellow men, which destroy us all? Also, the statement "they are not of God" contradicts the whole creation of ONE process. Now if I apply the laws of nature to it "all actions have consequences" I could logically deduct that all those crimes committed by a minority, are the consequences of a form of ignorance from the majority. And I didn't had to do this under the banner of science either.

Are you a duck? Do you have the same cognitive capacity as a duck? Or do you have more cognitive capacity than a duck?

You just told me that we are all one under God, and here you are judging selective value on others. Yes, a stone, the water, the duck and me are all parts in the sum of all things. If I throw the stone into the water the duck will flee and i can't eat duck (not that I eat ducks anymore). I'm cool with ducks (not so much with their rapes, but the ladies got it under control). The differences between us are not against each other, but towards different roles to sustain the ALL, hence me learning from ducks and ducks learning from me.

Adaptation is great

But is it true?

Great point. Adaptation is by definition the ability to handle change; which means to handle assumptions; lies. But there's no truth in assumptions (in change), which means that adaptation is the self discernment to comprehend and apply the laws of nature (truth) to handle reality (lie). So adaptation is both; it's the balance in between truth and false.

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[–] Blood-is-Nature ago 

I'm not in bondage at all. In fact that's what makes Christianity so beautiful to me. Christianity is entirely about controlling one's passions in order to understand nature. To be able to interrogate it and burn away anything that is not true, and only keep that which is true. It's perfectly in line with what you want, the only thing you're asked to do is believe that the truth exists, and that God loves you. That's it. What bondage is there in that?

It's not about controlling one's passions; it's using temptations to contradicted you into falling for the biggest one; being selfish. You are being deceived to reject the present, in favor of blind faith towards the future. You reject what is; for that which might be. You are being fooled to shirk your responsibilities to the sum of all things within this ecosystem, so that YOU might get something better afterwards. How is this not slavery to your own selfish passions?

The reason marriage is a contract between man and woman is because societies collapse when this is not the norm. Look at the west today. Falling marriages, birth rates down the tubes, and a complete destruction of the family.

And what gave those very same parasites access into the natural union between male and female? Marriage was the weak-point to breach the union, because suddenly the union between two, became a status symbol for those around them. Instead of protecting the blood; they were busy keeping up appearance for others. Suddenly there was competition to how you marry, how you live together, how you raise your children. Then the breach was filled with corruptions like divorces, feminism, abortion, sexual liberation, institutionalized education, work time-tables designed to separate mother, father and child from each other for as long as possible, same sex marriages, entire movements dedicated to not fall for the bondage of marriages, and let's also not forget money (usury)...thanks to marriage the protection of the blood starts of with fear towards financial asset distribution, offspring became measured by how much the state payed for them, the act of marriage became a financial burden to the point of going in debt to afford it, the ceremony became a weapon to indoctrinate away from religious doctrines and towards capitalistic doctrines of materialism (breeding those hedonists), capitalism making huge racket out of extorting and designing what it means to be a family. Endless extra stress put on the protectors and pro-creators of life all based on the slave contract of marriage. You wanna fall for each other, create life with each other, live with each other, raise a family with each other, and grow old with each other? That freedom of choice is a liberty offered to you by nature and you are in total control to choose it. No third party governance required; no breach of privacy necessary; no self inflicted stress needed.

God appears to us not as one, but as a Trinity.

You mean like the trinity of Osirs, Isis and Horus? Or do you mean like the trinity of Buddhism "Trikaya"? Or is it maybe the Sun, Moon, and Ascendant as the trinity within astrology? How many times will human cattle fall for the same story? Is it cognitive dissonance at this point? There's only one set of laws for the sum of all things within this ecosystem, but endless human lies to exploit it for their own selfish interests.

I notice that some people use it that way, yes. But I've found, performing science myself, that I am more than capable of interrogating nature for myself, as you want. I just do it in a systematic way that allows me to make complex predictions of the future based on the past and the present. Is that not what you want?

"But not all jews...". Your behavior of plausible deniability and ignoring personal culpability is called talmudic reasoning and it was indoctrinated into you (into all of us). You go on about science and how you value math, but at the same time you don't seem to comprehended that corruption applied to numbers creates imbalances? Your ignorance is a negative action (inaction) that has negative consequences for all, which in return will have negative consequences for you, because you, the individual, are defined by the collective around you. Your intent is selfish, and that selfishness causes harm to those around you, which corrupt your surroundings in becoming hostile for you. See, you responsibility for yourself is defined by your responsibility to the ALL. You strengthening the umbrella of "science" gives the parasites the strength to commit crimes under it. You are facilitating the destruction against yourself, because you worship false idols, in forms of false authority, in all those subverted institutions your labor and ignorance is maintaining, and you acknowledge this while continuing, while seeking mental shelter (shirking responsibility; hedonism) in blind faith towards being rewarded for such behavior after you die, a blind faith which was promoted to you by the very same parasites that usurped and subverted the world.

So NO; not some people, but the vast majority of humans are being deceived to put blind faith in false authority, while being controlled through the contradiction of false beliefs, to destroy themselves and each other. The math is about 99% under 1%.

Very complicated. If that's true, then you are never born, and you never die, correct?

It's not complicated at all. There is energy, and there is a specific constellation within that energy (You). Everything that is possible is contained within the energy; You are a specific temporary constellation with the ability to perceive (life). When you die, the specific temporary constellation (You) becomes pure energy again. The specific temporary constellation has its own rules; is its own closed ecosystem, and all possibilities that could happen inside are defined by the core energy it is based upon. That's why all possible knowledge exist at any given time. We don't create new knowledge, we comprehend more of what is offered. This is also how this ecosystem makes sure that we follow the rules, because the only way to maintain the comprehension of knowledge is through unity, because our limited lifespans demand us to pass knowledge on, or we simply lose comprehension of it (thanks to our selfish behavior). This is why we cannot unlock all the secrets of nature, because then this ecosystem wouldn't have incentives to sustain itself by making us maintain it (which our selfishness manages to ignore all by itself).

Also I'm not Congress, and I make no laws, so I can't violate the first amendment.

Sorry, my bad. Auto-correct stole "commandment" from me. I need to look up (((who))) owns auto-correct.

I don't think Perfect needs to comprehend the flaw to know He's Perfect, because He is Perfect

So you worship selfishness (hedonism)...Value (in this case perfection) is defined by the existence that values it, not by the hedonistic act of proclaiming it.

I think these truths will be made known to us in Heaven.

Another example of you subconsciously acknowledging that there's no truth in this system. Your mind isn't rooted on a foundation of truth (the laws of nature), but on uncertainty, hence you putting blind faith in substitutes for it (enlightenment after death).

"Universe" just means "all the physical stuff around us". I should have said "nature", I think.

Welcome to the confusion of deception through language in a system that doesn't name anything out of that very reason. The bane of communication. The official meaning of universe is btw "The collective name of heaven and earth, and all that belongs to them; the whole system of created things.". Today it incorporates the space lie, hence me going at the throat when reading it.

Maintaining the balance between order and chaos is absolutely an aspect of obtaining perfection.

Correct, but you can never achieve it (nor perfect chaos or perfect balance), because such a thing as TIME initiated movement the defines all existence as finite; as constantly changing. Maintenance (the natural order) defines a balance act, and balance can only be attained in motion. When you stand still, you're in the motion of balancing to not fall. You could cut your big toes off to test how hard the struggle of balance can be (but you shouldn't).

I don't think our goal is death. Death is inevitable, but that doesn't make it a goal. I sincerely hope you don't think death is the goal. What do you mean by this?

Bigger picture. All existence is defined as moving from a beginning towards an end, making it finite. Those are the two barriers that define existence in between which we (life-forms) have our own set of barriers defined by them; inception (life) and death. A beginning and an end connected through motion. That is by logical definition a goal; a mark; a set. It is your emotions (fear of death) that attributes a false value to this logic, because you are shirking your responsibility to face reality, despite being in "contract" with this ecosystem to uphold the natural order by struggling for life over death, which you agree to with every breath you take. What you don't understand is that life and death are two sides of the same coin, and the only value is the balance in between, the natural order; the maintenance of existence. There are no "goals" for you. Your life is the ultimate price for achieving a goal (existence) and it defines all value. You got everything imaginable gifted to at the beginning and you can even make it better and gift it to others. Yet you want more and even let yourself being deceived into believing to get it as a reward for ignoring all existence after your death. How much more directly can I explain this? You don't live; you wait for death. It's scary how fanatic belief can make a conscious life act like this.