Archived Apparently, PM Boris is now ignoring the parliament:) (whatever)
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Archived Apparently, PM Boris is now ignoring the parliament:) (whatever)
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[–] CrustyBeaver52 [S] 0 points 21 points 21 points (+21|-0) ago
My general take on it is two separate ideas - firstly, that it is not the role of the opposition to dictate policy to the government, which is true, that is not their role, so the law just passed by the opposition is entirely unconstitutional under the British system. The opposition does not pass laws. They are not the government. So this situation is bizarre... and the government is rightly choosing to ignore it in my opinion.
...secondly, I can see Boris doing this just because he can. I mean, what can they do about it? They can bring down his government, but they are refusing to do that, which basically leaves a lame duck government running the country that cannot pass any new laws. Why then should the government listen to anything they say? Why should not the government indeed act as a dictatorship since they are refusing to bring it down? Boris seems to be saying without saying, I shall do as I please until you call for the election you are supposed to call for, instead of you pretending you have confidence in the government when clearly you do not. If you wish to pretend such, I shall act accordingly and govern as I see fit.
The opposition has attempted to hamstring the government by unconstitutional means, and the government is saying go fuck a duck. The opposition refuses to call for the election because the polls say they will lose it if they do. In British parliamentary democracy, the government is always a dictatorship, with the only real restriction on their power being the opposition's ability to bring the government down via a new election. If the opposition will not do that, they have basically conceded dictatorial status to Boris so long as they cling to this continued false confidence strategy.
Now the opposition is all in a huff because Boris issued a statement that suggested he would ignore their newly passed law. My guess is they didn't see that coming.
Boris wants them to call an election, and he is now acting to force them to do so. The polls say Boris has the informal mandate of the people, and the opposition is currently refusing to allow him to formalize the mandate via an election. So now Boris just proceeds as if he has that mandate anyways. I suppose during the next election, whenever it does happen, the people can decide if he acted rightly or wrongly.
[–] 20518399? 0 points 9 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago
Let's also point out that the opposition is attempting to put the toothpaste back in the tube even though the rest of Europe has said they won't give the tube back. It only takes one country to veto the cancelling or delaying of Brexit and both France and Germany have said they will veto. So even if Boris allowed this stupid law it still would not stop Brexit from happening next month. Bastards had a log time to negotiate and instead they relied on scaring people with a hard Brexit to get them to revote.
[–] SIayfire122 ago
So what's up with this stupid law. I'm guessing it involves delaying Brexit or it says Britain will informally remain in step with the EU.
[–] CHeritageP 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago
I think the big thing to note here is that they are preventing the government from acting but are refusing to give a new election. It’s absolutely contradictory and it shows their bias.
They don’t want this government, they don’t like the way it voted, and the elites are colliding to prevent brexit from happening...
But then they refuse to grant an election to allow for them to get voted out of power? It’s absolutely contradictory and if I was Boris I’d be doing exactly what is written here.
Move to do brexit with or without parliament support, and tell them if they don’t like it, to call a general election. Otherwise because of their contradictory stance, he will proceed until they call the election.
The only reason they don’t call for electoon, is because then brexit will be swept in with a huge majority rather then “being controversial”
[–] CrustyBeaver52 [S] 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
The Tories have a nine point lead over Labor in the polls as of today. Labor absolutely cannot go to the electorate now. They'll lose half of their seats if they do.
So now remainers are blocking the will of the people (blocking brexit) AND the voice of the people (blocking the election.)
Boris has them impaled on a skewer they dare not remove themselves from. They are damned if they do and damned if they don't. All they have left is further delay. They need to come up with something new... a third option.... because standing in their present position will destroy them.
What Boris really needs now is a new coalition majority. I've just learned he has until October 15th to achieve one, because that's when Parliament returns. He'll have to make a deal with somebody and he has 35 days to do it, unless he has some other cards left to play we haven't seen yet. If he can do it, he wins.
[–] trans-tranny 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
I'm not good with the Brexit stuff. This is good. I just want to be a little more clear. Could you fill in the blanks?
First British citizens vote to leave EU. blank interfers and says no that vote doesn't count. Citizens vote for brexit again (right?).
[–] CrustyBeaver52 [S] 0 points 5 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago
Yeah, they had a referendum, and the citizens clearly voted to leave. Those who wanted to remain, now called the remainers, have been working to undo that outcome ever since. The previous Prime Minister, and the Speaker of the House, are both openly remainers, so the ruling party was delaying brexit again and again. Eventually the previous Prime Minister was pushed from office for failure to negotiate an exit deal with the EU. She wasn't really trying, she was faking it the whole time.
She would go negotiate a ridiculous deal, bring it back to parliament, and it would be voted down, so they would push back the brexit date and return to the negotiations - all in an attempt to buy time and distance from the referendum, giving time for the media to work it's propaganda, hoping for an opinion change in the electorate. They did this for two years.
Any illusion that the opinion of the electorate had turned against brexit was shattered by Nigel Farage and his brexit party when he recently crushed the EU elections. This forced Prime Minister May to step down, because she had clearly lost the mandate of the people, and cleared the way for Boris as the new Prime Minister. Boris says we are leaving immediately if we don't get a deal in the next couple of months - no more pushing back the Brexit date. Boris fears having Farage gut the Tory party as well, which is the likely outcome if Britain fails to leave the EU. Farage is ready to run brexit candidates for every seat in the House, and may become Prime Minister himself.
That has lead us to the recent shenanigans. Understand that the only reason they are in this current FUBAR situation, with a now totally dysfunctional lame duck government, is the Speaker of the House allowed the unconstitutional vote to take place when he should have ruled against it - because he is a rabid remainer as well, appointed under the previous Prime Minister. He has now announced his resignation, and his lack of shame for his actions. He violated parliamentary tradition, and like the traitor Tories who crossed the isle, he betrayed his own party. Traditionally, the Speaker of the House is supposed to assist the government, and is appointed by the government. It is not the Speaker's job to assist the opposition to cripple the government via unconstitutional means. This may be the end of his political career, certainly as a Tory.
That's my take on what happened - it may not be entirely accurate.
[–] DestroyerOfSaturn 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
So they are stalling till more immigrants show up to have this vote and outvote them? Is brexit just for britian or the uk? Why don't they just isolate themselves and be like Iran or something.
[–] HatePrincipal 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Last thing Theresa May did as PM was call for another Brexit vote, which is what we cynics/realists said would happen right after the first Vote happened: they’d delay and Russia Russia and fear monger and once polls showed certain remain victory have another vote and say that’s the one that counts.
I stated in no certain terms were that to happen the British people were 100% justified in executing every single public official on sight.
After May called the vote she was almost immediately forced to resign. I assume other party leaders had a closed door meeting with her like “Look bitch you have done EXACTLY what the craziest psychos on the net years ago said you would. Here are intel reports from this morning tracking at least 100 people that work in this fucking building in motion to kill you and everyone who gets in the way. You resign right fucking now or we’re gonna feed you to them to save ourselves.”
[–] CrustyBeaver52 [S] ago
That very much depends on who is left in charge at the end of the day. That's kind of what this whole thing is about.