Archived Apparently, PM Boris is now ignoring the parliament:) (whatever)
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Archived Apparently, PM Boris is now ignoring the parliament:) (whatever)
submitted ago by CrustyBeaver52
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[–] Sitnikoff 0 points 27 points 27 points (+27|-0) ago
Serves the Parliament right for ignoring Brexit.
[–] Rodjers04 0 points 8 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago
Would serve the Parliament right if the people killed them all.
[–] redstarkachina 0 points 18 points 18 points (+18|-0) ago
can you explain this to people who dont understand much of British politics
[–] CrustyBeaver52 [S] 0 points 21 points 21 points (+21|-0) ago
My general take on it is two separate ideas - firstly, that it is not the role of the opposition to dictate policy to the government, which is true, that is not their role, so the law just passed by the opposition is entirely unconstitutional under the British system. The opposition does not pass laws. They are not the government. So this situation is bizarre... and the government is rightly choosing to ignore it in my opinion.
...secondly, I can see Boris doing this just because he can. I mean, what can they do about it? They can bring down his government, but they are refusing to do that, which basically leaves a lame duck government running the country that cannot pass any new laws. Why then should the government listen to anything they say? Why should not the government indeed act as a dictatorship since they are refusing to bring it down? Boris seems to be saying without saying, I shall do as I please until you call for the election you are supposed to call for, instead of you pretending you have confidence in the government when clearly you do not. If you wish to pretend such, I shall act accordingly and govern as I see fit.
The opposition has attempted to hamstring the government by unconstitutional means, and the government is saying go fuck a duck. The opposition refuses to call for the election because the polls say they will lose it if they do. In British parliamentary democracy, the government is always a dictatorship, with the only real restriction on their power being the opposition's ability to bring the government down via a new election. If the opposition will not do that, they have basically conceded dictatorial status to Boris so long as they cling to this continued false confidence strategy.
Now the opposition is all in a huff because Boris issued a statement that suggested he would ignore their newly passed law. My guess is they didn't see that coming.
Boris wants them to call an election, and he is now acting to force them to do so. The polls say Boris has the informal mandate of the people, and the opposition is currently refusing to allow him to formalize the mandate via an election. So now Boris just proceeds as if he has that mandate anyways. I suppose during the next election, whenever it does happen, the people can decide if he acted rightly or wrongly.
[–] 20518399? 0 points 9 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago
Let's also point out that the opposition is attempting to put the toothpaste back in the tube even though the rest of Europe has said they won't give the tube back. It only takes one country to veto the cancelling or delaying of Brexit and both France and Germany have said they will veto. So even if Boris allowed this stupid law it still would not stop Brexit from happening next month. Bastards had a log time to negotiate and instead they relied on scaring people with a hard Brexit to get them to revote.
[–] CHeritageP 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago
I think the big thing to note here is that they are preventing the government from acting but are refusing to give a new election. It’s absolutely contradictory and it shows their bias.
They don’t want this government, they don’t like the way it voted, and the elites are colliding to prevent brexit from happening...
But then they refuse to grant an election to allow for them to get voted out of power? It’s absolutely contradictory and if I was Boris I’d be doing exactly what is written here.
Move to do brexit with or without parliament support, and tell them if they don’t like it, to call a general election. Otherwise because of their contradictory stance, he will proceed until they call the election.
The only reason they don’t call for electoon, is because then brexit will be swept in with a huge majority rather then “being controversial”
[–] trans-tranny 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
I'm not good with the Brexit stuff. This is good. I just want to be a little more clear. Could you fill in the blanks?
First British citizens vote to leave EU. blank interfers and says no that vote doesn't count. Citizens vote for brexit again (right?).
[–] DestroyerOfSaturn 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
So they are stalling till more immigrants show up to have this vote and outvote them? Is brexit just for britian or the uk? Why don't they just isolate themselves and be like Iran or something.
[–] analfaveto 0 points 11 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago
Opposition + treasonous conservatives vote to stop Brexit unless Bojo gets a deal with EU, which basically gives the EU the power to keep the UK in by only offering unreasonable deals. Opposition says this is democracy. Bojo expels rebel MPs from party and says, "OK then, if this is democracy, let's have a general election and let the people decide." Opposition says no. BBC calls Bojo "a dictator."
[–] crazyjuan 0 points 8 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago
The opposition and rebel conservative MPs passed a bill that made it illegal for the PM to not ask for an extension on the EU negotiations on October 31st, unless a deal is accepted by both EU and parliament beforehand. This bill is to prevent "No-Deal Brexit".
PM expels the conservative rebel MPs.
PM call for a snap-general election before October 31st. Opposition and expelled MPs vote against it - formally putting them "in confidence" with the current government.
PM prorogues parliament - no new legislation or parliamentary debates until the prorogue is lifted.
This leaves the PM with only a couple of options to pass no-deal Brexit, and they are both underhanded.
Option 1: when the Queen has to sign the "anti-no-deal Brexit bill", she is meant to ask advice from the government on whether she should - PM could advise her not to, putting the bill as void, then no-deal Brexit is possible again.
Option 2: he asks the EU for an extension to the negotiations on October 31, and puts pressure on the UK's representative to Veto the motion himself. This de-facto results in no-deal Brexit.
Alternatively, he could resign - letting the opposition leader become PM and watch him face the backlash of overturning the democratic decision to leave the EU.
[–] CrustyBeaver52 [S] 0 points 5 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago
Option 1 - yeah, she did sign it this morning, so I guess he didn't ask her not to, or she snubbed him. So he's up to something else here. I thought option 1 was what he was planning myself.
[–] 7e62ce85 1 point 4 points 5 points (+5|-1) ago
The people just might support him! Well maybe, I don't want to put too much hope in NPCs.
[–] Ctrl_Alt_Llama_ 0 points 6 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago (edited ago)
Not that it meant shit, but the Brits voted in favour of Brexit, we're better than what people give us credit for. Hail Brittania!
[–] bb22 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Probably the most based European country west of Italy.
[–] u_r_wat_u_eat 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
Boris the jew? You have hope for a jew taking over Brexxit
[–] 7e62ce85 ago
Hmm you're right http://www.jewornotjew.com/profile.jsp?ID=682
Honestly haven't followed much because it seems like one big show.
[–] SIayfire122 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago
It's what the ladies want.
[–] NatSocTemplar 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
So how does it work over there? Over here, in the same situation, Trump could veto and then if Congress was going out of session, they would be shit out of luck. Is that basically what's happening?
[–] CrustyBeaver52 [S] 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Sort of, they usually go on a break right now to head home and talk to the local constituents. That is only an issue this time because there is a fixed date when Brexit occurs automatically, (from Article 50,) meaning they wont have a lot, if any, time after the break to pass a new law or hammer out a short notice deal. I don't know the exact calendar on this - but the remainers have been delaying the occurrence of brexit since it was voted for, and are trying now to push it to January.
[–] GlowWorm 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Boris is a (((piece of shit))), he will deliver jack shit.
[–] CrustyBeaver52 [S] 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
Farage seems to think that too, says something like Boris has a history of wobbling on this issue and cannot be trusted, and has threatened Boris with the Brexit party to force the Tory hand. The Brexit party results in the EU elections have made the threat very real. Farage is well positioned to gut the Tories and deny the Boris dream of being a historical Prime Minister of great renown. I believe Boris wants to avoid this outcome over any other, and is willing to sacrifice any potential Brexit deal to ensure the Farage prediction does not come to pass.
Boris wants his election very badly, and he doesn't want Farage running in it too if at all possible. It would look especially bad if Boris called for the election and Farage became the Prime Minister as a result.
[–] Purged 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
If you were Farage, would you sleep with one eye open?
In America, they JFK leaders who try to do the right thing.