[–] Glory_Beckons 1 points 52 points (+53|-1) ago  (edited ago)

The majority will always be like this, by nature of the bell curve.

If you are in the top 10% in terms of cognitive ability, you are overwhelmingly in the minority in terms of sheer numbers. If you stayed exactly as you are, but the rest of your society magically got smarter, such that you are now in the middle of the distribution, then the top 10% would look down at you and the things you think about and sneer with disdain: "How do people live like this?"

They are as they are. Given the circumstances, that's all they can be. They are surrounded by carefully designed temptations and distractions. They lack the clarity of mind to see through them. They lack the leadership required to show them a better way, to give them a higher purpose.

If you can see it and you are capable, then be that leader and show them the way. Don't belittle them or dump things on them that they cannot understand. Take them by the hand, make sure they know you have their back, and, step by step, breadcrumb by breadcrumb, guide them toward the light.

[–] MyOnlyAccount [S] 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

If you can see it and you are capable, then be that leader and show them the way. Don't belittle them or dump things on them that they cannot understand. Take them by the hand and, step by step, breadcrumb by breadcrumb, guide them toward the light.

About this. I guess I do a mixture of both. I definitely don't sit there and do nothing while I'm watching this weird set of behaviors go on. I look for things they clearly don't understand or know about and I try leading them through thought experiments that prove them wrong, and I am ruthless and to the point when they're wrong. However, these guys nearly never accept any new information. I can't even demonstrate math proofs to them and have them understand, they just sit there and argue with me and tell me i'm "breaking the rules of math" or "math isn't a perfect system" and they go back to their anime. Also, one of them is hell bent on believing in that absurd Russia hoax, and he'll cite bad sources for information and I'll instantly disprove him and he never, ever, ever quits believing. I could go on and on about the nonsense things he's said about it, and how he got clobbered within seconds after he finished talking. I mean it too. He doesn't even have the basic facts down that reddit told him to say to people about the topic...

These guys are also horrible with word comprehension and speech fluency. I'm not even sure what they're not understanding sometimes, but someone will say something and their response sounds like they inserted several words that weren't said or they forgot a portion of the sentence. The responses are just nonsense sometimes, like I'm talking to a robot that doesn't fully translate my words properly.

[–] Glory_Beckons 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

Yeah, I've encountered all the same things you're describing. Almost eerie to see someone else describe exactly the same experience. It's like they're running on a script and, when you throw something unexpected at them, they glitch momentarily and then go right back to the usual program. Very frustrating to deal with. It's all easier said than done, that's for sure.

One thing that helps is realizing they're just not arguing based on logic at all. They don't tick that way. They work more on feelings and emotions. The things they say aren't really arguments. They're mantras. Phrases they've heard over and over that conditioned them to feel a certain way. When you throw something at them that they don't understand or that makes them feel uncomfortable, they begin reciting their mantras. It's not a conversation, it's a defense mechanism. To get back to their comfort zone, where they feel confident and they think they understand things.

Thinking logically isn't something that comes naturally to humans. It's not intuitive. In fact, many things in logic are counterintuitive at first. Logical thought is an acquired skill. If it feels natural to you, that's because you acquired it early in life. Now you can always use logic as a foundation to gain confidence that you are right about something.

These guys don't have that. They never learned to reason properly. Instead, their schools and environments likely taught them to listen to their feelings and do whatever feels right. So that's all they have. Their emotions and their mantras. "Not all of them are like that, not all of them are like that, not all of them are like that."

To reach them you have to either speak their language, appeal to emotion and replace their mantras with better ones, or teach them how to think properly and detect and reject such manipulative programming. Not sure which is better yet. Maybe start with the first and work towards the second from there.

[–] 1HepCat 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

One thing that's useful for teaching is the Socratic method: instead of listing off a bunch of facts, ask a series of leading questions.

When you are asked a question, are you able to form a sensible response without spending a moment to think about the answer? If you don't ask questions and await their responses as you build your case, how can you verify their understanding of each preceding point?


Here's a longer, more dramatic example related specifically to math: https://socratic-method.blogspot.com/2010/03/socratic-dialogue-on-mathematics-by.html?m=1

[–] Masaze 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Why are you trying to teach them math proofs? Just to prove you're smarter?

Most people don't care and don't need to know proofs, especially not factory workers.

[–] cthulian_axioms 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

"Teach the ignorant, care for the dumb, punish the stupid, annihilate the wicked."

[–] fellowwhiteperson 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

care for the dumb,

That sounds like Socialism.

[–] albatrosv15 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 


Ah shit, you lost me at the last word.

[–] Glory_Beckons 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

What is your objection?

[–] Pepe_LeKek2017 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

I see your point, and I agree with you. I used to have a huge group of "friends" that I thought were actually important. Turns out most of them are brain washed cowards with their heads buried in the sand. I came to realize that the most important thing in life (at least mine, anyway) is my family, and the few close, long lasting relationships I have with like minded people. Living a moral, productive life, is more important than winning the praise and acceptance of the npc masses.

[–] MyOnlyAccount [S] 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

my family,

My family attacks each other too much. They're pretty much on auto pilot, too, at this point. Even if nothing is going wrong they dig deep and muster up the energy to start a conflict. Just habit for them I guess.

I won't be talking to my parents as long as they're alive. One is out of their mind, the other is also out of their mind. My siblings are either deadbeats or on drugs so much I can never catch them sober, and I basically don't even know who they are anymore. They might as well be strangers. My aunts and uncles went through this weird phase when I was a teenager calling me a "bad kid", and I don't even know what they were talking about or how that got started which put me at a distance from them for a prolonged period of time, so I basically don't know them either.

Super ironically, the main people I talk to now are these very wealthy guys I met. They're the only people with interesting stories that like to do the same things I do (to clarify, it's not like all wealthy people are like us though).

[–] FSHLLtOW 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Remember everything you just wrote when you start your own family. If the family you have now is so out of it then find your help meet and start yourself a family. Make it the kind of family that will be the most important thing in this world to you. It's well worth the effort.

[–] albatrosv15 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

(((Wealthy guys))) you say?

[–] C_Corax 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Venting is healthy, but I think you need to apply a touch of indifference. They lead their lives, but you don't have to participate in any of it.

[–] MyOnlyAccount [S] 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Admittedly, it bothers me that people are so useless. Honestly though, the fact that they KEEP their job is just enough for me to not really bitch though. So even though I'm bitching now I guess it's what I'd think if they didn't have a job, not quite what I think now - but they're so close.

[–] ledbetter 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

1% of the population can conceive an idea and plan its introduction and implementation.

Given the plan, 10% of the population can follow instructions and execute the plan.

That leaves about 90% of the population looking for a slogan.

IF you look at income distribution, you'll see pretty much the same overall pattern. Co-incidence?

[–] C_Corax 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

People mostly are useless. I don't remember who said it or even the exact quote, but it goes something like this. "People will hold the highest position that their incompetence allow them to get away with". Outside of the few passionate souls that have made their vices their vocation it mostly is true.

[–] Blood-is-Nature 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

You just stumbled into the biggest black pill. "jews are right to call humanity goyim, because they literally act like cattle" That being said, these people can be molded to achieve absolute greatness by acting together, you just have to trick them into acting in their own interests, which is what the jews prevent us from doing. So while you're traveling the "normiesphere" don't overthink or analyze (you only get insane)...just mold them to be better humans that look out for each other. They are like puppies, just not as cute. Feed them red pills to make them perform for you.

[–] DayOfThePillow 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Yeah I've realized this in the past week or so, it's depressing to say the least.

[–] Blood-is-Nature 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

A good way to go about your day is to see the normies as a safety net between free thinkers and the few who want to control the world. We are the biggest threat to them as they are to us, but both sides need the middle to act for them. It would be a neat game if it weren't for the billions of lives at stake.

[–] KikesOnTrikes 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Sounds like everybody except 1 narcissist has a job that fits them.

Anyone can tear down other people to make themselves feel better about themselves. Thing is, when somebody starts ripping others like you are doing the only things you reveal are your own insecurities and character flaws.

You sound like a giant fucking asshole who is totally full of themselves. Even if you "know stuff" you obviously lack social skills. There are probably plenty of people who are much wiser than you working at this factory. They probably just keep their mouths shit and let you be your own worst enemy though.

[–] RoundWheel 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

"So long as they (the Proles) continued to work and breed, their other activities were without importance. Left to themselves, like cattle turned loose upon the plains of Argentina, they had reverted to a style of life that appeared to be natural to them, a sort of ancestral pattern...Heavy physical work, the care of home and children, petty quarrels with neighbors, films, football, beer and above all, gambling filled up the horizon of their minds. To keep them in control was not difficult." -George Orwell, 1984

You still haven't figured out we are living 1984.

[–] zxcvbnasdf 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Heavy physical work, the care of home and children

except for this. Whatever the opposite of this is.

[–] goblin_ghost 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

That sounds like an incredible life with a gambling problem tacked on to it.

[–] DishingShitLikeA 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I was thinking something similar but very different. I'm so sick of all the bullshit that I dream of checking out. Not offing myself but buying some land, building a homestead and raising a large family. In touch with nature and that which is good. I can and do contribute to society in good ways. Yet I am rewarded with theft and disdain.

[–] satisfyinghump 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Something thats actually helped me with similar feelings like what you post are the NPC posts from last year. Made me think that "ok... maybe there arent enough "souls" or whatever to go around and all these human bodies and brains are basically empty vessels who lack their own direction. Maybe that will help?

[–] auto_turret 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

In my 20's, I had more social contacts than I could count on both hands and both feet. In my 30's.. I have maybe 3.

[–] MyOnlyAccount [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

It definitely dwindles down. I mean, I was able to hold on to quite a few people however eventually the thought of "what new thing are we going to do now?" settles in, and even if we see each other or live by each other we don't even talk.

I wonder what all those girls from high school that I knew are doing now. I know damn well most of them blew it with a guy they could have stayed with for a long time. Now they're old, bitter, carrying baggage, lacking in personality... I can't even imagine how women handle that. I wonder if this is why men's jobs are being given to them.

Anyways, the guys I'm talking about are anywhere from 24 to 36. The 24 year olds mostly spend their time by themselves and one of them actually has a girl friend (to my surprise). They also look prematurely aged with wrinkles on their face and weathered skin. On intelligence, they seem to be coasting on a positive affirmations environment. Seeing this makes me a little sad because I know now that that is a thing when it comes to human psychology, and I could fall into that too. It makes me wonder if in my past when I had positive reinforcements around me if I thought more highly of myself than I was actually performing at.

Someone will probably say I'm being judgemental, but I don't care. I have a pretty low failure rate for my judgements on people and these people have repeatedly done the behaviors I thought they would.

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