[–] The_Venerable 2 points 50 points (+52|-2) ago 

During the time of Christ, Jews were seeking a material and earthly kingdom but Jesus offered only a spiritual kingdom. This they could not accept so they rejected Jesus and had him crucified.

[–] Rootcause 2 points 24 points (+26|-2) ago 

He also came against the money lenders (bankers) of his day ! They were ripping off the common man.

[–] Goys-R-Us 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

Some things never change.

[–] Kalergi 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

We need Jesus to come back. He could crash at my place.

[–] agodgavemethisland 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

[–] chirogonemd 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

This is more or less correct, as I see it. The messianic views of the Jews involved a material kingdom and a savior that would usher in an era of unending peace, with Israel at it's center, i.e. Israel would become the earthly heaven. In another aspect, their messiah was also to be a form of warrior-king as well, a powerful individual who would make other kingdoms fall from power.

Jesus was antithetical to their view of what a savior should be, essentially preaching that this material world was permanently fallible, it was not the kingdom of God. He was not a military warrior. Nor did he usher in the supposed paradise.

The fact of Christ's crucifixion was in that day, and remains to this day, one of the major reasons for the Jewish rejection of Christ. In their minds, the messiah WAS to be exalted.

For the messiah instead to suffer, and to be crucified as a criminal (a form of concentrated humiliation), this proved that Christ was not the messiah. This is because when the Word materialized as Christ, they would not accept that their presuppositions were wrong. The messiah was going to fit their mold and make their city the capital of Heaven, or bust. Caiaphas even made it a point to goad Christ while he was dying on the cross, essentially saying: "If you come down off this thing right now, we will accept you as savior."

Of course, the Christian doctrine has always been that the sacrifice was the ultimate purpose. Certain earlier Hebraic prophecy about the messiah predicted that he would be "crushed" and would suffer. The high Jewish priests had simply let political power and dominion come to dominate their theology, and in their minds, as God's "chosen" people, it became obvious that they would rise.

Instead, Jesus fulfilled the law of the covenant, and basically said "I am Israel and I am everyone's", which would take the privileged status away from the Hebrews, and extend it to anyone who accepted Jesus. Of course, the Jews couldn't have any of that.

So the high priests worked politically to influence Pilate to execute Jesus. The Jews want revolution, just not the kind that grants salvation to people based on their spirit and their morals and their values, instead of genetic ancestry. Jesus was the ultimate anti-elitist you could say. You could also say that Jesus WAS the first to answer the Jewish Question, truly. He pointed out the divisions among the Jews of the time, deviating from the law and forming sects, and he criticized the Pharisees for the rabinnical traditions that had come about (both the Pharisees and Saducees believed there WAS MORE than the written law of Moses, i.e. an oral tradition that would later become Talmudic Judaisim). Also that these pharisees had made themselves rich and popular with the masses, in themselves becoming idols. Jesus basically said, "Nope, you don't get to politically determine who gets to heaven now. Your power is gone. I am the way, and I'm everyone's."

The entirety of history from then, up through modern day, could be viewed pretty cohesively as an ongoing rebellion of the Jews against Christ and the idea that Christ is the path to heaven. Jews scorn the idea and are still clinging to the notion that the earthly kingdom of heaven arises when Israel the landmass becomes the paradise on Earth. So they are trying to create it, by slowly aggregating all power and all wealth to themselves. If they create hell on Earth, they can create Heaven in Israel. To them, at the very least, "nudging" us or "ushering in" the circumstances for that to come about (the rise of Israel), should at least bring about the times that will reveal their Messiah. They are sorely mistaken people. Contrary to the Jew's view of life and the world, Jesus preached that the kingdom is not "here" (in contemporary terms, the point of life is not material success, or power, or influence), it's to live according to the moral order of the universe, and He was the material representation of that moral order. It was his physical violation and murder that acted as its own proof. He walked into that sacrifice to demonstrate its power. And he kind of proved it, when that sacrifice came to mean more, and effect more people, than any ruler/king/politician in history has ever been able to.

[–] yetanothersock 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

lol. the pope might disagree with the first half.

[–] kurtpackage 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

are you informed on this stuff?

[–] Nosense 2 points 36 points (+38|-2) ago 

They have caused some recent issues, also.

[–] Haywood_Jablomeme 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

Ya dont fuckin say! HONK HONK

[–] Revelations2_9 3 points 28 points (+31|-3) ago  (edited ago)

Jesus was the first to call (((them))) out.

[–] Mr_Wolf 2 points 5 points (+7|-2) ago 

theres one story where he turns Jew foot washing water into wine and has it served to them.

then another where he makes a whip and runs them out of a holy temple because they turned it into a market.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+2&version=NIV&interface=amp

[–] Plant_Boy 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Back up one second, Jesus served the Jew's their own foot-cheese dirt water back to them as heavenly wine?

[–] Butelczynski 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

He wasn't the first to do that.Prophets of The Lord have been calling them out from day one and it is recorded in Old Testament.John The Baptist have been calling them out too and he was murdered for it.Since Christ there was a lot of Jewish sects and teachers calling out depravities of Jews,some of them are still around like Hasidim but over the years a lot of them became just as morally corrupt like others.Quite a few became a mirror image of temple elders who pushed Jesus onto the cross.

Unfortunately many "Christians" aren't any different.

[–] LetItGo 2 points 19 points (+21|-2) ago  (edited ago)

They were given a choice between him and a murderer. Pontius Pilate didn't want to condemn Jesus to death, but the Jewish leaders and crowd bullied him until he gave in. Barabbas was the other man, who was arrested as a revolutionary.

Out of curiousity, I checked the Wikipedias in relation to Pilate and Barabbas. They're pretty light on the details.

Pilate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontius_Pilate

Barabbas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barabbas

'[Barabbas] a figure mentioned in the New Testament of the Bible, in which he is an insurrectionary held by the Roman governor at the same time as Jesus, and whom Pontius Pilate freed at the Passover feast in Jerusalem, while keeping Jesus as a prisoner. '

' The story of Barabbas has special social significance because it has historically been used to lay the blame for the crucifixion of Jesus on the Jews, and to justify antisemitism—an interpretation known as Jewish deicide. Pope Benedict XVI, in his 2011 book Jesus of Nazareth, dismisses this reading, in which he translates "ochlos" in Mark as "crowd", rather than to mean the Jewish people. '

I'd love it if a well read Goat could go into more detail on this whole story, as I only knew a minimal amount from growing up with religious family. Kamelot did a great song from Pontius' perspective called 'Up Through the Ashes', btw.

[–] 9-11 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

The synoptic Gospels (Matthew Mark and Luke) have the details of the trials of Jesus, there were six. Three by the Sanhedrin (Jews and Pharisees) at which point the Jews remanded Him to the Roman occupational government. He was found innocent at each Roman trial. Yet as was custom the crowd was given the opportunity to save one of the prisoners from crucifixion, either Jesus or a convicted and confessed murderer. "The crowd" (who happened to be all Jews and Pharisees) demanded Jesus' death. Paul has many Epistles where he references that the Jews murdered Christ.

There are a lot of other details that can be found in the apocryphal "Gospel of Nicodemus” or “The Acts of Pilate". Which were real books referenced in the Epistles of Polycarp and Ignatius, Clement, Justin Martyr and Tertullian (direct students of the original apostles 70ad-150ad). Sadly, these Gospel books were lost to time. The version we have today aren't the original, rather there was a pagan Roman rebuttal to "the Acts of Pilate" that contained many details of the original that a forgery was ascertained and deducted and passed as the original that the early church correctly determined as non-canon. Even so, it contains what is believed much more detail that can be shown somewhat reliable.

If you're curious about apocryphal Gospels, there is a Gospel of Thomas with his travels to the near East in India, Gospel of James (psuedo Matthew or proto-James) which has a section on early childhood of Jesus.

[–] LetItGo 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Thank you for that information. It really helps narrow down where to look as, mentioned before, I'm not well versed on the subject by any means. The description you lay out is a much better synopsis than what came up in the quick refresher search. Which I really shouldn't be surprised by. Again, appreciate your comment and knowledge!

[–] 14WordsToFreedom 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

24When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it. 25Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children. 26Then released he Barabbas unto them: and when he had scourged Jesus, he delivered him to be crucified.

The Jews very much believe in collective guilt and punishment. The Torah is full of it, and they believe in it now just as much, as evidenced by identity politics. When the crowd said ‘his death be upon us, and our children,’ they were acknowledging their collective guilt, and the collective guilt of their descendants. Blaming all the Jews for the death of Christ is in line with their own traditions.

[–] LetItGo 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Now that you've said it, I remember reading the phrase said by the crowd. I really need a refresher course on all of this, as when I was first hearing of it I wasn't aware of how deep it all goes. It was more just topical "They killed him" talk. I'll have to make a point to look more into this, as the OP subject has come up now and again irl. Thank you for the comment!

[–] Maddmartigan 2 points 11 points (+13|-2) ago 

JOHN 18

10 Then Simon Peter having a sword drew it, and smote the high priest's servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant's name was Malchus.

11 Then said Jesus unto Peter, Put up thy sword into the sheath: the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it?

12 Then the band and the captain and officers of the Jews took Jesus, and bound him,

13 And led him away to Annas first; for he was father in law to Caiaphas, which was the high priest that same year.

14 Now Caiaphas was he, which gave counsel to the Jews, that it was expedient that one man should die for the people.

15 And Simon Peter followed Jesus, and so did another disciple: that disciple was known unto the high priest, and went in with Jesus into the palace of the high priest.

16 But Peter stood at the door without. Then went out that other disciple, which was known unto the high priest, and spake unto her that kept the door, and brought in Peter.

17 Then saith the damsel that kept the door unto Peter, Art not thou also one of this man's disciples? He saith, I am not.

18 And the servants and officers stood there, who had made a fire of coals; for it was cold: and they warmed themselves: and Peter stood with them, and warmed himself.

19 The high priest then asked Jesus of his disciples, and of his doctrine.

20 Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing.

21 Why askest thou me? ask them which heard me, what I have said unto them: behold, they know what I said.

22 And when he had thus spoken, one of the officers which stood by struck Jesus with the palm of his hand, saying, Answerest thou the high priest so?

23 Jesus answered him, If I have spoken evil, bear witness of the evil: but if well, why smitest thou me?

24 Now Annas had sent him bound unto Caiaphas the high priest.

25 And Simon Peter stood and warmed himself. They said therefore unto him, Art not thou also one of his disciples? He denied it, and said, I am not.

26 One of the servants of the high priest, being his kinsman whose ear Peter cut off, saith, Did not I see thee in the garden with him?

27 Peter then denied again: and immediately the cock crew.

28 Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover.

29 Pilate then went out unto them, and said, What accusation bring ye against this man?

30 They answered and said unto him, If he were not a malefactor, we would not have delivered him up unto thee.

31 Then said Pilate unto them, Take ye him, and judge him according to your law. The Jews therefore said unto him, It is not lawful for us to put any man to death:

32 That the saying of Jesus might be fulfilled, which he spake, signifying what death he should die.

33 Then Pilate entered into the judgment hall again, and called Jesus, and said unto him, Art thou the King of the Jews?

34 Jesus answered him, Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me?

35 Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done?

36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

38 Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all.

39 But ye have a custom, that I should release unto you one at the passover: will ye therefore that I release unto you the King of the Jews?

40 Then cried they all again, saying, Not this man, but Barabbas. Now Barabbas was a robber.

JOHN 19

Then Pilate therefore took Jesus, and scourged him.

2 And the soldiers platted a crown of thorns, and put it on his head, and they put on him a purple robe,

3 And said, Hail, King of the Jews! and they smote him with their hands.

4 Pilate therefore went forth again, and saith unto them, Behold, I bring him forth to you, that ye may know that I find no fault in him.

5 Then came Jesus forth, wearing the crown of thorns, and the purple robe. And Pilate saith unto them, Behold the man!

6 When the chief priests therefore and officers saw him, they cried out, saying, Crucify him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Take ye him, and crucify him: for I find no fault in him.

7 The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God.

8 When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he was the more afraid;

9 And went again into the judgment hall, and saith unto Jesus, Whence art thou? But Jesus gave him no answer.

10 Then saith Pilate unto him, Speakest thou not unto me? knowest thou not that I have power to crucify thee, and have power to release thee?

11 Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.

12 And from thenceforth Pilate sought to release him: but the Jews cried out, saying, If thou let this man go, thou art not Caesar's friend: whosoever maketh himself a king speaketh against Caesar.

13 When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he brought Jesus forth, and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called the Pavement, but in the Hebrew, Gabbatha.

14 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!

15 But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar.

16 Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. And they took Jesus, and led him away.

17 And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha:

18 Where they crucified him, and two other with him, on either side one, and Jesus in the midst.

19 And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross. And the writing was Jesus Of Nazareth The King Of The Jews.

20 This title then read many of the Jews: for the place where Jesus was crucified was nigh to the city: and it was written in Hebrew, and Greek, and Latin.

21 Then said the chief priests of the Jews to Pilate, Write not, The King of the Jews; but that he said, I am King of the Jews.

22 Pilate answered, What I have written I have written.

23 Then the soldiers, when they had crucified Jesus, took his garments, and made four parts, to every soldier a part; and also his coat: now the coat was without seam, woven from the top throughout.

24 They said therefore among themselves, Let us not rend it, but cast lots for it, whose it shall be: that the scripture might be fulfilled, which saith, They parted my raiment among them, and for my vesture they did cast lots. These things therefore the soldiers did.

25 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.

26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!

27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

28 After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.

29 Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth.

30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

32 Then came the soldiers, and brake the legs of the first, and of the other which was crucified with him.

33 But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs:

34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.

35 And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.

36 For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.

37 And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.

38 And after this Joseph of Arimathaea, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly for fear of the Jews, besought Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus: and Pilate gave him leave. He came therefore, and took the body of Jesus.

39 And there came also Nicodemus, which at the first came to Jesus by night, and brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about an hundred pound weight.

40 Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in linen clothes with the spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury.

41 Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulchre, wherein was never man yet laid.

42 There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews' preparation day; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand.

[–] Rainy-Day-Dream 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

only the Sephardi, the actual israeli people, and they'll pay for that. Most "jews" alive today are Ashkenazim devil worshipers from babylon would adopted the jewish religion about 8 centuries ago

[–] fightknightHERO 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

i thought Ashkenazism are Khazar Mongrels?

[–] Rainy-Day-Dream 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

[–] andrew_jackson 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Oven dodgers

[–] PeaceSeeker 5 points 6 points (+11|-5) ago 

Please discuss.

Heh, what even is this post?

Eh I'll bite.

The Japanese bombed Pearl Harbour. This obviously does not mean every single Japanese person was involved in that bombing, or that all of them were in the bomber at the time. But the construct of "the Japanese people" were behind that bombing. In the same sense, the Jewish people were responsible for the killing of Christ. Not every Jew bears responsibility, but organized Jewry was behind it. Not all Jews suffer from the consequences of killing Logos incarnate, but as a people they have a revolutionary spirit as a result of their rejection of Logos, and it affects their collective impact on history.

Obviously killing the Son of God is going to have such an effect, and it very obviously has.

If the disruption and subversion that are historically coupled with the Jewish people are to cease, the Jewish people will have to accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour. Likewise, until their conversion, only unified acceptance of Christ can possibly hold the Jews at bay.

[–] celestial-skylord [S] 2 points 4 points (+6|-2) ago 

unified acceptance of Christ

Ahh, the dream. What could be more powerful.

[–] PeaceSeeker 2 points 7 points (+9|-2) ago 

There is no earthly force that can stop the united power of those who worship Christ.

[–] yetanothersock 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

i'm almost begging you to prove to me his sovereignty. why can't christians bring me to the light?? show me your god. show him to me.

[–] HillBoulder 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

No niggers on earth.

[–] Tallest_Skil 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

HIS BLOOD BE ON US AND ON OUR CHILDREN.

Exterminate all jews.

[–] PeaceSeeker 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Perhaps you should strive to reignite the light inside before acting in darkness.

[–] Shaigorath 2 points 3 points (+5|-2) ago 

Jesus was a Jew...

[–] talmoridor-x 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago 

This

but ashkenazi jews aren't REAL jews

it wasn't REAL communism

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