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Oh, and as an example... Harvard Law School used to publish their admission statistics (I don't know if they still do, I have not looked). With all things being equal (LSAT score, undergraduate GPA), a white male would have a 47% admission rate compared to a minority student or female. Now, how many of those 47% go to non-Jewish white men? Considering the high percentage of Jews that are in Harvard Law School, the answer is very few. Now a rich, well-connected non-Jewish kid will have little trouble getting a slot (think a Kennedy or a Bush). But what about an average, lower or middle income white male who is very intelligent and has no connections? He has no shot. If that Irish, Italian, Polish or Russian male was anything else (including female) their life would map out differently. 100% admission acceptance with his scores. But, sorry... you are a white, non-Jewish male... you will not get a chance to better your station in life at Harvard. I would surmise this same scenario plays out at all Ivy League schools, because the statistics bear it out.
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You said "Now, how many of those 47% go to non-Jewish white men?" but I don't see the relevance of this. We would need the data to assess the situation. If it is the case that white jewish men have far better applications than non-jew white men, then of course most of those slots should go to Jews. You need the admission data.
With regard to "If that Irish, Italian, Polish or Russian male was anything else (including female) their life would map out differently." I do not think a jewish male with an equal application to a non-jewish male will have a statistically different acceptance rate. What probably is more likely is that Jews as a group highly value education and so have stronger applications by the time they apply to college due to family pressure, grooming, and mentoring.
That being said, it is definitely the case that some minorities and females are given an advantage, i.e. their applications are statistically worse than many of their rejected counterparts, and that is appalling. I'm completely against that. If I ran a school, there wouldn't even be a box to select your race, gender, etc. But I do not think that is working in the favors of jews in the admission process.
"the statistics bear it out." You need to link me to the statistics to show this.
The data I looked at had GPA and LSAT scores, the two main drivers for Law School admissions. A white male who had a 4.0 undergrad GPA and scored in the 98th percentile on his LSAT would only get an offer of admission 47% of the time. Any other applicant would get an admission offer 100% of the time.
As to the rest of the application, I don't know. But that test score and GPA are indicative of a very capable student. If you don't think Jewish white males get preferential treatment over non-Jewish white males, then explain the large Jewish enrollment numbers based on their overall population? Look at who runs admissions... if the department is staffed by Jews (and at the time I looked at this, the head of admissions at Harvard Law was Jewish), then would it surprise you that an application with a last name of Israel would be selected over an application with a last name of O'Ireland, assuming all other things were equal?
Look, believe what you want. I did the legwork on this a while ago. Those statistics were provided by Harvard Law School admissions. Just because you "don't think" something doesn't make it so.. and your comment "what is probably more like" is another guess on your part. If you are Jewish and this makes you uncomfortable, I can understand that because this is another reason resentment builds. Jewish people are not the only people as a group that value education. There are a lot of demographic groups that value education and a lot of very capable people are never given a chance because of this admissions bias. Jews benefit from this system, and since they fall statically under "white male" in the stats I looked at, there isn't much room for a non-Jewish white male. To be fair, the stats did NOT break out those 47% offered admission into Jewish and non-Jewish, so it is impossible to extract exact numbers. But if Jews are over 20% of the student body, extrapolations can be made. Again, do this over 100 years, and more Jews enter high-paying career fields, make more money, have children who can follow the same path and continue the cycle of within-group preference and upward mobility, all while taking care of each other in both formal and informal ways.
I think all admissions should be blind. If I ran a university, I would strip out all identification information and look at raw scores. I'd want the best and brightest, regardless of anything else. I'd run my university like an NBA team, and let merit and talent drive admissions.
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Oh, and as an example... Harvard Law School used to publish their admission statistics (I don't know if they still do, I have not looked). With all things being equal (LSAT score, undergraduate GPA), a white male would have a 47% admission rate compared to a minority student or female. Now, how many of those 47% go to non-Jewish white men? Considering the high percentage of Jews that are in Harvard Law School, the answer is very few. Now a rich, well-connected non-Jewish kid will have little trouble getting a slot (think a Kennedy or a Bush). But what about an average, lower or middle income white male who is very intelligent and has no connections? He has no shot. If that Irish, Italian, Polish or Russian male was anything else (including female) their life would map out differently. 100% admission acceptance with his scores. But, sorry... you are a white, non-Jewish male... you will not get a chance to better your station in life at Harvard. I would surmise this same scenario plays out at all Ivy League schools, because the statistics bear it out.
[–] nightjar 2 points -2 points 0 points (+0|-2) ago (edited ago)
You said "Now, how many of those 47% go to non-Jewish white men?" but I don't see the relevance of this. We would need the data to assess the situation. If it is the case that white jewish men have far better applications than non-jew white men, then of course most of those slots should go to Jews. You need the admission data.
With regard to "If that Irish, Italian, Polish or Russian male was anything else (including female) their life would map out differently." I do not think a jewish male with an equal application to a non-jewish male will have a statistically different acceptance rate. What probably is more likely is that Jews as a group highly value education and so have stronger applications by the time they apply to college due to family pressure, grooming, and mentoring.
That being said, it is definitely the case that some minorities and females are given an advantage, i.e. their applications are statistically worse than many of their rejected counterparts, and that is appalling. I'm completely against that. If I ran a school, there wouldn't even be a box to select your race, gender, etc. But I do not think that is working in the favors of jews in the admission process.
"the statistics bear it out." You need to link me to the statistics to show this.
[–] Richard_Kranium ago
The data I looked at had GPA and LSAT scores, the two main drivers for Law School admissions. A white male who had a 4.0 undergrad GPA and scored in the 98th percentile on his LSAT would only get an offer of admission 47% of the time. Any other applicant would get an admission offer 100% of the time.
As to the rest of the application, I don't know. But that test score and GPA are indicative of a very capable student. If you don't think Jewish white males get preferential treatment over non-Jewish white males, then explain the large Jewish enrollment numbers based on their overall population? Look at who runs admissions... if the department is staffed by Jews (and at the time I looked at this, the head of admissions at Harvard Law was Jewish), then would it surprise you that an application with a last name of Israel would be selected over an application with a last name of O'Ireland, assuming all other things were equal?
Look, believe what you want. I did the legwork on this a while ago. Those statistics were provided by Harvard Law School admissions. Just because you "don't think" something doesn't make it so.. and your comment "what is probably more like" is another guess on your part. If you are Jewish and this makes you uncomfortable, I can understand that because this is another reason resentment builds. Jewish people are not the only people as a group that value education. There are a lot of demographic groups that value education and a lot of very capable people are never given a chance because of this admissions bias. Jews benefit from this system, and since they fall statically under "white male" in the stats I looked at, there isn't much room for a non-Jewish white male. To be fair, the stats did NOT break out those 47% offered admission into Jewish and non-Jewish, so it is impossible to extract exact numbers. But if Jews are over 20% of the student body, extrapolations can be made. Again, do this over 100 years, and more Jews enter high-paying career fields, make more money, have children who can follow the same path and continue the cycle of within-group preference and upward mobility, all while taking care of each other in both formal and informal ways.
I think all admissions should be blind. If I ran a university, I would strip out all identification information and look at raw scores. I'd want the best and brightest, regardless of anything else. I'd run my university like an NBA team, and let merit and talent drive admissions.