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[–] matthew-- 1 points 41 points (+42|-1) ago 

Here's another strategy to take.

Tell him how you're seeing how a lot of people are starting to like him, and you're reading a lot of stuff that he's doing that seems on the surface to be good somehow. And that it's starting to worry you because you never thought of yourself as a Nazi. You've come to him because you know he hates trump, so he must be the sane one in all this chaos, and you need him to help you understand and undo the brainwashing, show you where Trump was racist, why he's a bad guy, etc. When you rebut him, or question something, apologise and remind him that he can't help you if you don't believe it yourself, so instead of simply making baseless broad statements, he'll have to dig in to the details where the argument will probably completely fall apart. Again, you MUST frame it as you asking him for help to help yourself.

You make actually learn something along the way... but I doubt it.

[–] bob3333 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Life pro-tip: this technique works everywhere in life, not just politics. If you come across an idiot and tell them they're an idiot and why, they'll never listen to you. If you ACT like you're the idiot, and that you like their idea but just need a little more information to help you understand, you can lead them pretty far down the road of thinking about what they're trying to tell you. If you're over the top patronizing they'll catch on immediately. The hard part is appearing genuinely sincere in wanting to know additional information.

[–] matthew-- 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

The hard part is appearing genuinely sincere in wanting to know additional information.

It's really hard. In fact, I've found that I simply can't pull it off. I have to convince myself first that what they're saying is worth listening to. IE, I can't stand individual feminists. But if I play mind games with myself, and convince myself that whilst she's painful to listen to, she's representative of the entire movement that's destroying the west, and to defeat the enemy, you must know the enemy. Then I can listen to everything they say and be 100% genuine.

this technique works everywhere in life, not just politics

Another non political example is that I can't stand guardening, or talking about gardening (something my old co-workers were very passionate about), but if I imagine I have some kind of side business selling certain plants, then that information becomes incredibly valuable, and I can tune in and ask questions about what certain parts of the process and really engage with them. Most of the time, I'm just as uninterested, but sometimes you discover something really cool that will spark you interest in the subject.

[–] dbvapor [S] 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

That’s beautiful haha.

[–] kevo7777 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Fuck, I might actually try this.

[–] BordelonLoop 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

when did it get to this point that we have to use psy-ops to render truth? i say fuck it and club him in the head.

[–] matthew-- 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

The problem with this approach is that it can (and will) be used against you.

>when did it get to this point that we have to use psy-ops to convince the proletariat of his oppression? i say fuck it and club him in the head

>when did it get to this point that we have to use psy-ops to make people believe in the 6 gorillion? i say fuck it and club him in the head

>when did it get to this point that we have to use psy-ops to convert people to Islam? i say fuck it and club him in the head

you get the idea


The thing about my suggestion isn't that you're using psy-ops. You're neutralising the emotion surrounding the topic, thus enabling logic and rationale to steer the conversation instead. The absolutely beautiful thing about it, is that people may bring up new information that completely changes your perspective. If I never did that, I'd still think that carbon emissions were responsible for global warming.