[–] middle_path 8 points 40 points (+48|-8) ago  (edited ago)

Although I do agree, insights like this don't help people deep in depression. They always throw in the "easy for you to say" sort of phrase.

They always think the classic things that crush depression (exercise, sunlight, healthy diet, time away from a screen, healthy sleep schedule, etc) don't apply to them and they'll always be miserable.

[–] ixaxxar 0 points 38 points (+38|-0) ago 

Ex fat guy. I changed over 3 years ago. Ate healthy, lifting, reading, dont watch tv. I'm fit and healthy now. Yet more depressed than ever.

[–] SyriansAreTerrorists 2 points 42 points (+44|-2) ago 

Did you try not being depressed?

[–] Artofchoke 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

Fuck, Sir. I'm so sorry to hear that. With all the hard work you've done, I know things are going to improve for you, because you have the fortitude and stamina to make it happen. Until then, keep coming here. Bitch, complain, get it off your chest. Use anon subs if you're embarrassed, but don't give up. hugs

[–] DownRange 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

Try DMT.

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[–] Lobotomy 0 points 19 points (+19|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Although I do agree, insights like this don't help people deep in depression. They always throw in the "easy for you to say" sort of phrase.

Well, here's the thing; it really is. 99% of the people who try to "it always gets better" someone's problems away are literally just saying that to make themselves feel better about someone feeling worse than them, because they're hearing things they don't want to hear. It's a defense mechanism, the thing you say when you feel guilty for not being of any help. Actually listening to people without trying to pat them on the back is how you get through to these people. They don't want your pseudo comfort, they don't want some age-old truism, they want to articulate their despair, and most people can't do that without bouncing their minds off of someone else. We live in a culture where nobody wants to "hear your life's story", and that's part of the problem. It takes really stoic people to hear someone out without making them worse than they started. Most can't divorce themselves from their feelings long enough to let the person they're trying to help explain themselves fully.

Armchair psychologists and Facebook moms be damned.

[–] Epictetus_Hierapolis 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

The truth is though, it usually will get better. Not by itself, you have to make an effort, but it will.

The last thing want to do is listen to bitching and moaning from some fucker that won't make an effort for themselves. Develop a plan, or at least make an effort to throw some ideas out there, and I'm cool with bouncing ideas off me. Lament your misfortune and talk about giving up though, and I don't give two shits.

[–] middle_path 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

You've got a point, but talking about it doesn't actually help them either. Though I do agree that hearing them out without adding any advice is helpful in a sense.

[–] WD_Pelley 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

This. Facebook philosophy is just there to make the person saying it feel better. I don't want some cliche. I want to articulate my despair, like you said, while having people understand me. The whole "It'll get easier" bullshit doesn't always - if ever - help. Sometimes that extra push is needed and trumped up truisms can't always do the job.

[–] EIMR 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

The problem with depression is that it makes you hopeless, and saps your energy and willpower. I am sure that many who would cure their depression doing these things are unable to do them.

[–] The_Duke_of_Dabs [S] 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

Very true, but for the pragmatic ones maybe this will be a little light in their dark day.

[–] Hand_of_Node 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

You'e talking about people who aren't actually depressed. If you said that to a depressed person, it would just make them feel worse and confirm that their situation is hopeless.

[–] middle_path 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

Maybe. But the feeling would be fleeting and they would just fall back into old habits/thoughts soon enough.

[–] MrPim 1 points 18 points (+19|-1) ago 

There is one sin, quitting. Never surrender. Never give up. Make the bastards earn it.

[–] midnightblue1335 1 points 16 points (+17|-1) ago 

Before taking your life, you should ask- who benefits most from a White man dying in 2018? Certainly not the man or his surviving family. (((Someone))) grows a little stronger each time we lose one of our own to crushing despair.

A psychologist might claim what I'm about to say is unhealthy- if you're truly miserable, question why. Find the source of your misery. And then turn that despair into a burning hatred and righteous anger. We have been wronged. We have been shat upon relentlessly. You have every right to be absolutely furious. Turn that anger outward, not inward.

That kind of anger is the stuff that forges heroes and wins wars.

[–] SigniferLux 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

A psychologist might claim what I'm about to say is unhealthy- if you're truly miserable, question why. Find the source of your misery. And then turn that despair into a burning hatred and righteous anger. We have been wronged. We have been shat upon relentlessly. You have every right to be absolutely furious. Turn that anger outward, not inward.

Best piece of advice i've read in this discussion. (Psychologist trainee.)

[–] The_Duke_of_Dabs [S] 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

God damn right, brother.

[–] 9-11 2 points -1 points (+1|-2) ago 

There are many sins and only one way to wash them clean.

[–] MrPim 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I do not subscribe to your beliefs.

[–] SyriansAreTerrorists 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago 

Getting away from religion. It gets rid of any "sin"

[–] talmoridor-x 2 points -1 points (+1|-2) ago 

Kys christfag. Jesus wills it.

[–] con77 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

or at least take some muslims with you

[–] The_Duke_of_Dabs [S] 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

You just won the internet, sir.

[–] con77 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

thank you

[–] CuriosityOnFire 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Muslims aren't the source of our problem. Get some of the high level conspirators and propagandists

[–] con77 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

the trash will still have to be removed after traitors are shot

[–] SigniferLux 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

High level conspirators and propagandists aren't the source of our problem. Jews are.

[–] vladtep 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Doesn't matter, they're part of the problem.

Don't get picky.

[–] LostandFound 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

Nice post, you would be surprised the effect even something small like this has on someone who is experiencing depression. I worked with a group that specifically dealt with depression and suicide and one of the first things we are taught is to say hello to whoever you can when out walking ( works better where i live than the bronx for example so pinch of salt ). That one hello might be the only personal contact a person has that day and make actually make the difference between someone seeing the world as just pure shit or actually there's some nice people out there in the world perhaps its not so bad.

They have structured our education to disable us and rob us of the years we should be spending learning HOW to live, I know too many people that have walked off cliffs and bridges simply because they could not cope with the reality of their lives - not that it was that bad but they simply didn't have the coping mechanisms to transition from the TV version of what their lives should be and the actual reality of working hard and getting knocked down. Our television is filled with scenarios that are unrealistic and make us feel worthless about ourselves, 17 and not even a millionaire yet with a sports car ....

Everything is pitted against us, people like you are what stops the system from going full tilt. I will keep on fighting and you keep on doing you.

[–] 1812-was-not-a-tie 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Here's a clinical psychologist's response to a suicidal man: https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=qmKtyeQ9Ikk

[–] TheAmerican 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

Many years ago my dad shared this with me when i was going through hard times. I printed it out and put it on my front door so I could look at it every time I left for work in the morning. An old Cherokee is teaching his grandson about life:

“A fight is going on inside me,” he said to the boy.

”It is a terrible fight and it is between two wolves. One is evil–he is anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego.”

He continued, “The other is good – he is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith. The same fight is going on inside you–and inside every other person, too.”

The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather: “Which wolf will win?”

The old Cherokee simply replied, “The one you feed.”

[–] Nadeshda 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

No matter how many times I read this, it ALWAYS touches my soul... truth!

[–] CrustyBeaver52 2 points 7 points (+9|-2) ago 

40 million sperm and you were first to the egg - you're already special.

We all are.

[–] The_Duke_of_Dabs [S] 2 points 7 points (+9|-2) ago 

Fuckin aye, right! Dont let the fucking left get into your brain with that, "we're ALL humans, we're all the same." No the fuck we arent.

[–] middle_path 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

"we're ALL humans, we're all the same." No the fuck we arent.

Well, we were all the strongest swimmers.

[–] thou_shall_prosper 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Just discovered voat after getting sick of how liberal reddit is, and I gotta say, this site makes me feel good about my whiteness

[–] Amphiprion 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

If you really feel this way go out of your way to be a support group for that whiny bitch of an incel you don't like.

How is it so many can recognize that a big part of the problem is a lack of strong male role models who know that self sacrifice is part of the role, but too lazy to step up and do it.

Instead of fawning over women to get laid, be a positive male role model to a male that's never had one in his life.

[–] The_Duke_of_Dabs [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Thats a great perspective. Seriously, be the men who inspire you.

[–] Nadeshda 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

self sacrifice is part of the role, but too lazy to step up and do it.

Too right!

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