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[–] Norn 8 points -4 points (+4|-8) ago 

I get where you're coming from, but there are plenty of men who are irrational, and there's a significant percentage of women who are rational. Sometimes I come across such overwhelming stupidity from both genders that I wonder if democracy is a mistake.

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[–] bagano1 [S] 3 points 6 points (+9|-3) ago 

Sorry, but it becomes even more evident in the workplace how stupid they are. Unmistakable.

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[–] Captain_Hamerica 2 points 4 points (+6|-2) ago 

The fact they believe they're able to do the "same" job as a man shows exactly how stupid some of them are.

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[–] Shekelstein6M 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

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[–] Norn 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I'm not referring to outliers. Outliers are data points that don't match the rest of the set.

In my estimates, about 30% of women favour logic over feelings, compared to about 50% of men. If you gather statistics based on personality distribution by sex you'll see that it more or less matches this estimate.

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[–] CobraStallone 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

I know capable women. They might be 15% of their population. The smarter ones amongst that 15% would agree that women voting is bad. Like if a 10 year-old child who was a genius admitted it would be bad for other 10 year olds to vote. Men are pretty shitty too, but it's like in a whole different order of magnitude.

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[–] Norn 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Around 30% of women have a personality that puts reason over feeling. For men it is around 50%.

There is no question that women are more likely to be emotionally driven than men, but the matter remains that if we're removing suffrage based on being swayed by feelings then 50% of men are also a problem.

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[–] Glory_Beckons 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

Not-all-the-same-ism is an insidious linguistic venom that cripples all rational thought.

Name a single sizeable group of people of whom you could say "they are all like that", without exception. Whoever the group consists of, and whatever "that" may be. Such a thing does not exist. And not just for people, but for any collection of things with a large enough sample size, and along any trait or property apart from the one used to select the collection. It doesn't exist. It's an impossible standard to meet.

There are always exceptions. That doesn't mean rules don't exist or don't matter. Pointing out the exceptions does not invalidate the rule. It's just word noise that clouds the mind.

Do ALL men NEED to be rational for the point to stand? Do ALL women NEED to be irrational for the point to stand?

No. When you look at voting statistics separated by gender, there is a consistent pattern that always holds true. Men tend to lean more towards personal freedom and national security. Women tend to lean more towards personal security and national freedom (which results in neither freedom nor security, for anyone). Not every individual, but as a whole across the groups.

This holds true across the board, in every country: Remove the female vote and the country leans more right. Remove the male vote and the country leans more left. There isn't a single country on Earth where this dynamic would be reversed.

That said, democracy in its current form is most definitely a mistake. Having a say in the course your country takes should be earned, not granted to every buffoon who is easily swayed and manipulated. All that accomplishes is creating a system that grants power to the most accomplished liars and manipulators.

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[–] slwsnowman40 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Name a single sizeable group of people of whom you could say "they are all like that", without exception.

I think the sandniggers come closest to them all being the same way...they certainly have the least exceptions.

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[–] Norn 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I didn't make a *not all *argument. I'm not referring to exceptions. The logic/emotions divide is around 30/70 for women, 50/50 for men. That's a significant percentage for both that should be addressed.

And yes in general, women tend to lean left and men tend to lean right, however, when you factor in race, both white PoL men and women are currently leaning right.

In regards to PoL, if you removed the male vote, the US would still slightly be leaning right.

Look at the data from 1992 to present, you'll see that both PoL men and women were divided near evenly between the parties in 1992, and between genders there was only a 4% difference in terms of party identification.

In 2016, the gap between MoL who identified as dem and those who identified as rep widened significantly, whereas women remained more or less consistent, with a slight favoring to the right. This is likely due to the Dem party (and the Left in general) turning on MoL more than anything else. It's a self-preservation response.

The differences in leanings are less the result of gender and more the result of identity politics, which can include gender. Men are no exception to falling prey to identity politics, as shown by the massive change in their party affiliation in recent years.

If anything, one could argue the data shows men are more susceptible to voting based on identity politics despite their political convictions. And indeed, the data does show men have been far more swayed than women in this current climate of identity-based politics.

It's important to remember that there are more variables involved than gender, and some of these variables are better predictors of political leanings, such as race and culture. It's a complex problem with no easy solution. The argument to strip suffrage from women, 50% of the population, is an emotive one rooted in frustration, not one based on data and cool rationality.

What alternative to democracy in its current form would you propose? Earned how?