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[–] go1dfish 0 points 39 points (+39|-0) ago 

This is why warrant canaries are most effective when they occur on a set schedule.

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[–] 9-11 16 points 20 points (+36|-16) ago 

Let's review the objective facts:

  • No tweet from twitter.com/voatco since Jan 2017 - putt/atko semi-regularly tweeted from there especially during outages

  • Accounts can no longer be deleted wiping all your comments - original atko/putt were ADAMANT that being able to do this was central to why they lost faith in reddit. That this has never been fixed speaks VOLUMES. Evidence is being "protected".

  • except for a few comments to trash long time users expressing concern Putt hasn't commented or done anything in MONTHS

  • the bitcoin accounts that putt/atko had us gullible conservatives donate to in good faith have been cleaned out. https://voat.co/v/whatever/2524899/12638975

  • the $6,000 per month bill seems to be covered by "somebody".

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[–] Schreiber 1 points 7 points (+8|-1) ago 

"somebody"

That's not how you spell Jews.

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[–] Caesarkid1 4 points 5 points (+9|-4) ago 

You 'forgot' to mention how putt said there is no gag order.

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[–] billyvvinz 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago 

You know how I know you're a shill?

us gullible conservatives

There is no we, there is no us. Faggot.

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[–] White_pride_cis 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Evidence of what? What crimes could there possibly have been?

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[–] SaneGoatiSwear 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

hello @its_over_9000 you are incorrect.

i wrote the warrant canary for voat. i annoyed the shit out of the devs until they did it. once. then i annoyed the shit out of them more so they did it repeatedly -- by putting a bot on it, then i annoyed them some more beacuse *for the dead man's switch to work, there has to be a pre-determined period of time that it must be pressed in, so that if it is not pressed within that time we are able to know that they've been served/silenced.

you are also incorrect that "they can't compel speech" oh yes the fuck they can. they can compel silence and make you not talk about something at all, requiring you to drastically change how you speak. what they CAN'T compel is a lie. this however MAY not be true for national security letters, although there's one possible case i know of and it hasn't been proven.

in any case, since @puttitout outright refused to ever add a dead man's switch,

the warrant canary has never functioned. ever.

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[–] MinorLeakage 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I like you when actually just talk Sane. It's too bad about your other antics. I think you have a lot of worthwhile things to say, but there aren't many people left willing to listen anymore.

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[–] Caesarkid1 2 points 1 points (+3|-2) ago 

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[–] SexMachine 2 points 17 points (+19|-2) ago 

Even if this site were compromised, everything is public. I don't know of any private subverses discussing illegal activity, and if they exist, whoever set them up is retarded.

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[–] CowWithBeef 2 points 12 points (+14|-2) ago 

/v/pizzagate contrubutors could be political targets rather than legal targets. Concern is valid.

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[–] SexMachine 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

If their identities are known. Take precautions against doxing. Use separate email addresses for everything. Use different usernames. They would have to prove that you are the person attached to that username.

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[–] ARsandOutdoors 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Up voat. We need to protect our own. If any group was to piss off TPTB it would be the pizzagaters

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[–] Caesarkid1 3 points 0 points (+3|-3) ago 

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[–] patriot_biz 4 points -1 points (+3|-4) ago 

Yeah, that's why this tinfoil-hatism is so stupid. Trump's in charge. We're winning. I'm not doing anything illegal.

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[–] Thisismyvoatusername 1 points 14 points (+15|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Canaries are really pretty useless. It’s generally true that the authorities cannot legally, physically force an admin to do something, but they can either seize a site and do it themselves or they can manipulate an admin to do what they want by threatening them. Canaries really only function as a statement of intended principles at the time they are adopted. From that point on they are not at all trustworthy. Even when they are being updated you cannot be sure they are truthful. Thinking they are is similar to thinking an undercover cop is required to be truthful when you ask if he is a cop.

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[–] Its_over_9000 [S] 3 points -3 points (+0|-3) ago 

Hm, that's very interesting if that's how it works.

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[–] Pawn 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

my diagnosis is you're a retard for not seeing the obvious flaws. How do you plead? Nope. Guilty.

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[–] VicariousJambi 1 points 8 points (+9|-1) ago 

If this site was really run by the CIA it'd be way smoother.

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[–] lipids 2 points 6 points (+8|-2) ago  (edited ago)

It is running very smoothly. Are you a CIA shill trying to lampshade it?

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[–] VicariousJambi 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Nothing I really can say will convince anyone I'm not a shill. If I go against the group think then I'm a shill. Oh well I guess.

I do find the recent activity, or lack thereof, fishy, but then just full out jumping to cia run honeypot is kind of stupid. If it is a honeypot then the fuck is the point? To "contain" us? Because thats working so well for them. If its to try to change us thats fucking working swimmingly well too.

I'll start believing its a honeypot when lots of degeneracy gets posted like on reddit.

And running smoothly? Atko literally just had to put the site back online after it was down for like 2 days.

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[–] speedisavirus 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Yeah, smooth running sites barely handle traffic and go down days at a time

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[–] Shilly_Mc_Shillface 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

If it's a bumblefuck operation, I'd suspect the FBI. They drop a lot of balls lately. Congressman from Texas just said they dropped the ball on 9/11- completely preventable. odd.

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[–] albatrosv15 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I guess diversity hires are hurting even them.

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[–] Its_over_9000 [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Yeah, maybe we'll get subverse transfers soon. Then we'd really know something was up. =^)

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[–] ginx2666 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago  (edited ago)

they can't compel speech

People still believe that corrupt government will abide by their own rules.

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[–] fl3x 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

naivete is good for a halfhearted chuckle that slows to a sad silence...

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[–] Goathole 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

I love my FBI overlords, I hear they even hire niggers now! and that's grrrrrreat! cuz I love me some niggers.

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[–] L3D 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

I bet they are after the Darknet Market sub users private messages. My guess during the down time https://preview.voat.co/v/whatever/2137962

No loss if those people get caught, but pity if it makes the regular voater's private messages unsecure too.

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[–] SexMachine 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

I never expected PMs to be secure on here.

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[–] L3D 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Yeah, and I never really send them, but if the authorities have contact and relationships with site admins already. It makes it easier for them to act with less serious matters, say hate speech and such.

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[–] Thisismyvoatusername 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Any cop who has to read my PMs will be bored witless. At least it won’t take them long.

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[–] NeoGoat 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

This is why they develop AI.

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[–] Caesarkid1 2 points 1 points (+3|-2) ago 

Putt said there is no gag order.

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[–] Its_over_9000 [S] 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

That's a pretty likely scenario. And worth keeping in mind when you post or send any messages on this site. I wonder, though, if something like that is the case, how long before things go back to 'normal'? When arrests are made? When all the resulting hearings are completed?

And is it possible that Voat would be forced to embrace some censorship (of illegal activity) just to prevent such a fiasco from happening again and protect the privacy of legitimate users?

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[–] nmgoh2 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Not to put another layer of tinfoil on the hat, but technically Putt could post the canary even though warrants have been served.

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[–] fl3x 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

How is that "tinfoil"-ish? All it'd require is incentive enough for him to do so. There are many ways of accomplishing that. This is 5th grade shit.

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[–] Its_over_9000 [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

lol true. I've probably got enough tin foil by now to sculpt myself a nice 10-gallon hat.

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