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[–] BB-3 12 points 98 points (+110|-12) ago 

@PuttitOut this is serious. If anon subs aren't anonymous for everybody, they're not anonymous.

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[–] WhiteSurvivalist 5 points 57 points (+62|-5) ago 

The idea that you can't post there without being logged in should be the first dead give away.

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[–] BB-3 3 points 28 points (+31|-3) ago 

I didn't expect to be completely anonymous from the website's owners. With all of the anti-spam and DDOS protections, logging in to post anonymously is understandable, even if it's not a perfect solution. The owners giving that same access to their friends and cohorts without being open about it, is what's concerning. If there was a list of users with these admin privileges, we could at least hold the group accountable. As it stands it looks like putt himself is making these comments, because we don't know who else could. At the very least he is responsible for the violations of anonymity because he allowed it to happen.

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[–] thantik 2 points 12 points (+14|-2) ago 

If you were able to post there without being logged in, there would be no way to protect voat against massive spam attacks, etc. There still should be one, and only one username to a person.

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[–] SexMachine 2 points 7 points (+9|-2) ago 

Right? I never considered them anon if they're linked to your account.

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[–] speedisavirus 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

It would be good to require a login to reduce spam. There is however no good reason they are documenting the user for the post. Other than either maliciousness or pure laziness.

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[–] 9-11 19 points 4 points (+23|-19) ago 

The "sub that can't be named" strikes again...

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[–] MaunaLoona 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I have no idea what half of your posts are about nor why you are getting so many diwnvotes. Someone fill me in?

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[–] Grifter42 7 points 1 points (+8|-7) ago  (edited ago)

/v/soapboxbanhammer

https://archive.is/JNOL6

https://archive.is/bb5ky

"[–] Grifter42 0 points (+1|-1) 23 hours ago Shut the fuck up. If the truth came out about your group of toadies and sellouts, you and yours would be the most hated group of people on Voat, until you'd go under cover again. You're nothing but a Reddit ShareBlue member masquerading as one of us. So, how much did it cost to buy Putt? permalink parent

[–] ExpertShitposter 0 points (+0|-0) 15 hours ago (edited 15 hours ago) Not much. We are like an octopus, we have other means of applying pressure to select individuals. Especially isolated ones like putt with no political power IRL. permalink parent"

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[–] ARsandOutdoors 7 points 3 points (+10|-7) ago 

Agreed

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[–] PuttItOut 18 points 42 points (+60|-18) ago  (edited ago)

Your post is misleading and filled with incorrect statements.

No one has access to any area of voat but me, there is no such thing as 'special access.' You imply that access has been granted to others and you should correct your wording.

If this is really happening then this is what we call a bug and I will fix it.

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[–] NeedleStack [S] 11 points 30 points (+41|-11) ago 

Well shit, like I said in this earlier comment, if I was mistaken so be it - and that it would take only word from you for me to believe I was mistaken.

But your comment is coming off as accusing me of making something up intentionally. You know, A LIE. Which is not what I did or would do.

Everything I said I experienced was what I perceived it to be. I didn't post from a place of misleading or implying. And I'm not going to correct my wording because it was what I thought to be true.

I'm seriously put off by the way you responded. I'm not just some shithead. I actually care a lot about this place and have done a lot of work in subs and with other members across voat for nearly 3 years but whatever, I guess my bringing up a valid concern boils me down to being an asshole huh.

If it's happening as a bug and it will get fixed, great!

This post blew up larger than I thought it would but good came out of it; commenters bringing up a lot of important stuff we need to square away as a community anyway (brigading, witch-hunts, vote manipulation, site security, etc.). Those issues are way more important than any bug I brought up so kudos to you if you can get this house in order.

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[–] PuttItOut 13 points 50 points (+63|-13) ago 

What you write can be seen by one or more devs who’ve been given that special access. But what you may not know is that they can and do use it against you as they’ve done with me in the past and as recently as yesterday. And one or more of those users who have this ability are part of SBBH.

This statement is purposely inflammatory, incorrect, lacks tact, and is intended to create a false narrative, regardless of what you think is true. I'm actually surprised you could say such at thing, being that you are such an important part of Voat. It's something I'd expect from sane or grifter, but not you.


The proper way to report a potential security issue is to report it to v/voatdev or PM.

If we have a bug in anon subs then we need to reproduce it so it can be fixed. We've had a bug before that we patched but there may be another one. So if anyone wants to PM me with the technique that is being used, we will patch it ASAP.

This is assuming there is even a bug in the first place, as this post has no concrete evidence that an anon account has been compromised.

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[–] Nerobot 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

If it makes you feel better I've made numerous submissions on subs and not once has anyone got their guesses right. Some from the old guard of SBBH used to do profile watching for vote counts and posting times to try for an "educated" guess.

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[–] 12392766? 10 points 6 points (+16|-10) ago  (edited ago)

This post blew up larger than I thought it would but good came out of it

I think this is why Putt responded the way he did. I'm not sure if he thought you were trying to be misleading or not, but it's possible that Putt is just as put off by the post as you are by his response.

What you write can be seen by one or more devs who’ve been given that special access.

This line, to some, may come across as a blatant statement that there are users other than Putt who can access dev information, which is not true. Especially your use of the word "given" suggests that you're talking about people other than just Putt.

Let this story be a warning to any of you that this ‘special access’ to see which user is writing “anon” comments creates an unfair advantage and in the wrong hands can be used against you.

Again, you are writing as if there are users with special dev access other than Putt, and you even go so far as to complain about the "unfair advantage" this "access" gives "those users", as if all of this is fact, as if users other than Putt have such access, which they don't.

PuttItOut, users will never be free to “have their say” in anon subs until everyone but you is stripped of the ability to see who’s posting what in so-called anon subs.

Again you directly imply that others other than Putt have this access. This is more than just speculation and interpretation, Needle; much of your post is border-line statements about reality (or at the very least very strong implications) that turned out not to be true. More than 1600 people have read this post (EDIT: in the 20 minutes since I wrote this, another 100 people have seen your post. See what I mean?), a post which has suggested Putt has trodden on the values he has worked so hard and very long to maintain. I can understand something like this coming across as insulting to one in Putt's position, and I don't fault him for responding the way he did or suggesting you reword.

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[–] heygeorge 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

bringing up a valid concern boils me down to being an asshole

This is your perception of what you did, but in reality what you did was take a flimsy precept, combine it with bullshit. and run it straight into an allegation of fake news.

What really confounds me is that you are taking a narrative from the same people who pretended your absence was caused by a fictional SBBH dox. I cannot follow the logic there.

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[–] akuta 1 points 15 points (+16|-1) ago 

Could also be that this person has a total hardon for Needle and goes to their page to see what their longevity date is, then compares it to comments because of the previous spat...

I've yet to see Needle act irrationally up until this point in any interaction I've seen them have (maybe the handful), so I don't think it's intentional. I think it's honest fear/being spooked by someone putting that much effort into stalking/harassing her.

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[–] heygeorge 7 points 7 points (+14|-7) ago 

@NeedleStack has also been spooked by someone who claimed to want to buy her account [If I'm not mistaken, the amount/interaction was absurd. This was also during a time where account purchasing was a prevalent Voat meme.] She immediately made an inflammatory post about it. This was quickly revealed to be a misguided prank.

Needle, I love you, but sometimes you seem to get very quickly pulled in!

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[–] Fambida 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I'd assume it's spammers doing it since she is a frequent poster to /v/reportspammers and calls them out. I've been targeted before for the same reason by spammers.

In fact, here they go again https://gyazo.com/2fd292213cb1de355d459e3fb17fe51c

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[–] Chiefpacman 2 points 5 points (+7|-2) ago  (edited ago)

If this is really happening then this is what we call a bug and I will fix it.

I think this is him reporting the bug. As other users pointed out; it’s probably a coincidence though.. I guess you couldn’t explain the anon/random number process a little? Based on this post, I’d say there’s some confusing as to how it works.

I have some unrelated questions, if you have time

What happened to that voating thing you were going to implement? With the polls.

What’s going on with funding? I know we have “enough“, but what does that mean? I think about a month ago you talked about letting us donate again?

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[–] Grifter42 5 points -3 points (+2|-5) ago 

Putt is just jerking people around at this point. He's treading water until people forget, and stop asking questions. Why do you think he hasn't banned the people who spammed Voat chat to the point Putt had to step in, and "shut it down for the good of Voat", or some bullshit like that? Because they were SBBH/SRS, and they're trying to do what they did to Reddit to this place. They've done a pretty good job of it so far.

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[–] MadWorld 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

@NeedleStack, see parent.

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[–] Le_Squish 2 points 17 points (+19|-2) ago 

I recall a rumor long ago that using a third party program to tag users will cause that tag to still be displayed in anon post.

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[–] 12390654? 3 points 13 points (+16|-3) ago 

Now that's actually an important point to bring up. If AVE allowed access to that information (through API I assume?) and anon was not accounted for on Voat's end or via AVE itself, then such a bug could emerge where users could be identified in anon subs through the use of AVE (or some other program). This would make far more sense to me than SBBH users having dev access of this sort, and since /u/NeedleStack is an oldgoat, it is likely that some SBBH user or two (since many SBBHers are also oldgoats) would have flaired her, a well known user, with something, and thus that flair would show up in an anon sub, and they could then identify her.

This would explain it, if true.

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[–] heygeorge 2 points 6 points (+8|-2) ago 

This sounds like something completely untrue. There's not a way I can think of where a client script could pick up this information.

@MadWorld what do you think?

I think the simplest explanation of the rumour that @lesquish recalls would be due to a sub just changing CSS to mimic anon without actually setting the anon bit.

@needlestack @thebuddha

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[–] Rellik88 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

I have AVE and have never seen a tagged anon... However it could of been I never saw someone I've tag in anon posts.

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[–] fusir 2 points 6 points (+8|-2) ago 

That dosen't make sense because I've coded one of those systems and the whole point of anon is there is no identifiable information in the html. If a tool like that could do it you could just figure out who they are by pressing f12.

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[–] gabara 4 points 3 points (+7|-4) ago 

Then how does Voat know to notify you if someone replies to your anon post?

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[–] 12390159? 14 points 15 points (+29|-14) ago 

I am not aware of any special access to anon subverses; as far as I know only Putt has such access. Maybe Cyna. But SBBH users? I really don't think so. The closest thing to evidence of this claim I see is your archive, but that's just a complaint about 2.7 year old accounts, of which there are very many, more than any other cohort, in fact. The fact that someone referred to 2.7 year old accounts when your account is 2.7 years old might only mean that they have observed a trend among 2.7 year old accounts hating on SBBH. It's had to say. I agree the comment seems out of place and is suspicious, but I cannot conclude from that alone that SBBH accounts have the ability to see who is posting in anon subverses.

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[–] NeedleStack [S] 3 points 26 points (+29|-3) ago 

It would take our dear Putt himself to come into this thread and tell me I'm wrong to change my mind. That is, if he's not a shared account (I personally don't believe his account is shared). If he says I'm incorrect, so be it.

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[–] 12390299? 6 points 11 points (+17|-6) ago 

I think that is fair; frankly only Putt is in the position to know for sure. Anything else is just speculation. That includes my doubt that what you claim is the case, as well as your claim itself.

I do not think that Putt is a shared account at all. He would comment more if that were the case, kek. On a serious note, though, it is not likely he will visit this thread or any thread any time soon, as he has been completely quiet and apparently inactive for almost a month now. I am eagerly waiting his return. Voat is long overdue for an announcement, and I would like to see the votes feature implemented so subverse transfers can start running again and Putt can finally address the donation issue and the bugs that are plaguing Voat at present.

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[–] MadWorld 2 points 1 points (+3|-2) ago 

It would take our dear Putt himself to come into this thread and tell me I'm wrong to change my mind.

Just a note on an imposter account(https://voat.co/user/PuttItOul/comments), make sure to verify that he is truly PuttItOut if he replies.

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[–] Ina_Pickle 1 points 13 points (+14|-1) ago 

The vast majority of accounts are 2.7 years old because that is when FPH and two other groups left reddit and stayed gone.

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[–] 12390474? 3 points 12 points (+15|-3) ago 

FPH accounts are 2.9 years old I think. 2.7 years ago was when the Ellen Pao and Victoria Taylor stuff erupted and made it blatantly clear to everyone who cared how anti-freedom reddit was.

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[–] ExpertShitposter 10 points -2 points (+8|-10) ago 

Which account are you talking about? The only person to who that happened to was sanegoat. And MAAAAAYBE freshmeat. And even that wasn't organized, but people going out of their way BY THEM SELVES to wreck his account.

I suppose you could say that no longer makes it truly organic, but is certainly wasn't organized ether. You could only use the word malicious perhaps.

This all i say with confidence because i have been at the absolute heart of drama with SBBH, shitposting, anti sanegoat posting and exposing both his and freshmeats agendas in PV. If thee was ever DV organizations, i would have been invited into them a dozen times. Or at least one fucking time and therefore aware of them.

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[–] 12390747? 8 points -2 points (+6|-8) ago 

I have never explicitly claimed that anything "is organic", only that certain claims of vote manipulation "could be organic".

Not that these semantics matter much at all until Putt declares that organized voting is just as much against the rules as bot brigades.

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[–] ardvarcus 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

I've kind of made my peace with getting doxxed or targeted by loonie-tune liberals. If it happens, it happens. I'm not going to go out of my way to encourage it, but I'm not going to stop writing what I believe to avoid it. My mind's at peace because I know I'm doing the right thing -- speaking and writing the truth about political and social issues. I see it as one of my functions in life to deliberately hold up to view those topics liberals want everyone to avoid talking about, because they conflict with the liberal fantasy narrative. I'm going to keep proclaiming the truth wherever and whenever I can. Right now Voat is my main stopping place on the Internet, but if Voat folds, I'll move elsewhere and continue to do the same thing, because it's right, and because it needs to be done.

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[–] Tazzermalt 3 points -1 points (+2|-3) ago 

there is some drama war going I've lurked on voat a while ...I'm not sure on it, Crensch was being weird but I think @Crensch could also be innocent also there is drama between Crensch and @TexasVet there is also drama between @RamblinRambo and other alt right identatarian users

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[–] NotHereForPizza 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago 

Meh, we got that sorted out. That doesn't mean Crensch isn't a fuck. But, we never should've echoed his info like that, even if the dumbass is okay with giving out his first and last name online.

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[–] TheBuddha 13 points 13 points (+26|-13) ago 

Those SBBH people are terrible! They should all be banned!

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[–] NeedleStack [S] 1 points 25 points (+26|-1) ago 

Ha ha.

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[–] TheBuddha 11 points 10 points (+21|-11) ago 

giggles

I can assure you, it wasn't me. Not that you probably thought it was me, but I figure I should state it aloud. I only accepted the mod invite to SBBH 'cause I kept getting accused of being one and I enjoy antagonizing @freshmeat. Seriously, you might want to try it. Go poke 'em with a stick, it's funnier than hell.

I figure I've been accused of just about everything, so I might as well revel in it. I'm a shill for Big Math and the Classical Guitar Cabal. We've infiltrated everywhere!

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[–] TheIrieOne 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Any sub that circle jerks is gonna be shit.. the soapdox or soapbox whatever faggot subs they're called as well as FPH.

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[–] totes_magotes 5 points 2 points (+7|-5) ago 

SBBH is the right place for that.

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[–] Annelise 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago 

Pitchforks and torches!

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[–] TheBuddha 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago 

Yeah, those SBBH people are terrible! It's all @ExpertShitposter's fault. (Or gabara, but I already blamed him.)

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[–] RabbiMohel 5 points 12 points (+17|-5) ago 

The crazy person on AnonTalk usually bitches about @kevdude and @Crensch and up to a few days ago they were 2.7 day old accounts. They probably thought you were them. They're obsessed.

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[–] NeedleStack [S] 1 points 15 points (+16|-1) ago 

The archived comment spells out "years". Not days.

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[–] RabbiMohel 5 points 8 points (+13|-5) ago 

And @Kevdude and @Crensch were listed as 2.7 year old accounts until very a few days ago. Don't you see all the posts about "crenschdude"? They're 7 kinds of crazy.

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[–] Crensch 4 points -1 points (+3|-4) ago 

2.7 day old

Missed a word, bud.

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[–] RabbiMohel 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Crap

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[–] Acerphoon 3 points 9 points (+12|-3) ago 

What the hell is SBBH?

[–] [deleted] 9 points 9 points (+18|-9) ago 

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[–] Acerphoon 3 points 9 points (+12|-3) ago 

So basically. the SRS equivalent of voat?

Meh, I've never gotten banned here yet, so whatever.

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[–] Caveman_in_a_suit 4 points 5 points (+9|-4) ago 

Been there 2.7 years and I still don't know

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[–] ExpertShitposter 4 points 0 points (+4|-4) ago 

Hahaaha.

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[–] MadWorld 2 points -1 points (+1|-2) ago 

Lucky you! It's /v/sbbh.

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[–] Kal 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

A group of gays that like to jerk each other off.

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[–] 11hrr 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Took a lot of scrolling to finally find this. I've been on voat almost daily for years and what the FUCK is this?

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