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[–] DUngbetele 4 points 26 points (+30|-4) ago 

Let me guess this is you presenting yourself for the job of going through shill accounts and banning whoever you don't like. Look you even have your alt in here xeno who always replies to your threads playing the concerned citizen whose fears you allay. You even have a shill sub like Sane did you little fraud. @Puttitout beware of this weasel.

In before downvotes and calling out my new account.

@Needlestack your caution was warranted in the other thread.

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[–] Travisty 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

New account

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[–] DUNGBEETLE 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Took my name to that nigger faggot

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[–] DUNGBEETLE 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Fuck this shill account god damn ripping off account names

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[–] BaneGhostiSwear 4 points -3 points (+1|-4) ago  (edited ago)

hi, this is @sanegoatiswear. @puttitout and known transvestite autist sjw @fuzzywords and known paid criminal shill @kevdude and the rest of the sjw voat-takeover shills decided that using TSA-logic ("let's censor all new users and all users and all those who have been brigaded by shills we'll refuse to warn/ban for brigading.. to stop a couple spammers") to put in sweeping soft-censorship across voat would work like a charm. and it did! now users who speak up against them only get 10 comments per 24 hours, and little sheepgoats go about their posting like nothing happened!

i have to post on alt accounts to (((speak freely))), so although @crensch participated in massive attacks on free speech and helped destroy voat, in this OP, crensch is correct. and infiltrating the new user community.

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[–] Crensch [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

i have to post on alt accounts to (((speak freely))), so although @crensch participated in massive attacks on free speech and helped destroy voat, in this OP, crensch is correct. and infiltrating the new user community.

Why is it that of all your accounts, freshmeat is the only one that stays positive, despite being heavily downvoted by the users of this site just like every other account you've made?

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[–] prairie 1 points 16 points (+17|-1) ago 

So what you're calling for is an internet that requires everyone to identify themselves with government documents?

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[–] classy_nigger 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

So the presumable solution, in order to ensure free speech, is censorship. That doesn't seem quite right to me.

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[–] Crensch [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

If everyone has 1 voice, who is censored?

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[–] classy_nigger 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

If everyone has 1 voice, who is censored?

The people who are downvoated and can only make 1 post a day.

You'll never be able to ensure everyone only has one voice, and even if anyone could, I wouldn't trust you with that power.

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[–] carlip 1 points 9 points (+10|-1) ago 

desperation is a poor perfume. this is what SBBH has resorted to now, begging for owner powers. lol you faggots truly are done then. I didn't believe you would fade so uselessly into the dark, but then you @Crensch, leader of retards goes forward with this.

did you guys actually discuss this before hand in your dwindling little discord channel? or are you the last one left anyways?

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[–] Crensch [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

desperation is a poor perfume.

Implying anyone is desperate.

this is what SBBH has resorted to now, begging for owner powers.

I didn't beg anything. I made a suggestion, and look at all the shills and anons attacking me. Kek.

lol you faggots truly are done then. I didn't believe you would fade so uselessly into the dark, but then you @Crensch, leader of retards goes forward with this.

"You can't present your opinion because I disagree with it." - got it.

did you guys actually discuss this before hand in your dwindling little discord channel? or are you the last one left anyways?

I don't use any form of outside contact to coordinate anything on this website, unlike the rPV crew. Ask anyone that matters here, I was against the discord spam from the get-go.

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[–] AutumnAngel 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

I think I have a solution, but it is drastic for this site's paradigm (and all sites like this), yet still supports 100% free speech. I have not worked out the entire mechanisms, but the basic idea is that no votes matter unless you decide that another person's votes matter. In other words, screw the aggregate voting system.

This also eliminates the need for mods completely, which seems to be a problem. You "ally" or "enemy" yourself with others, meaning you want to prioritize or "deprioritize" their content. Some method of importing other's lists needs to be done because many do not have the time to fine tune their experience (i.e., you trust someone established, and so you pull in their decisions of others).

So, if someone makes a lot of accounts, it does not do shit influencing your experience. No worries about IP addresses or VPNs or any of that crap. Spammers are equally nullified.

I need to get off my ass and make this. But I would shove reasonable ads down your throat because I am not a charity.

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[–] hardshaft 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

It's a good try you came with there, and I can certainly see the gist of your idea, but I also think there's some flaws in it you're not seeing now. But as you say, the best way to find out is to make the system, test it and see what happens, not arguing about it forever.

I could also imagine that it's possible to make some sort of "prediction" market where people could deliver reports in a subverse, analyzing and witchhunting users, those with a certain level of accuracy in finding shills who the community deems worthy of banning through consensus could then be paid bounties from a pot. But then again, that system would also have some obvious fatal flaws.

The sad truth is, the system dictates the behavior, and right now we just don't have any viable long term solution to our problem. We need a final solution.

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[–] AutumnAngel 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

We need a final solution.

Yes we do, ha ha.

But besides that, could you elaborate on the flaws you see? When developing crap, I am always ears to all input. Whether I agree or not, well, whatever. But free advice? I will take it!

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[–] xenoPsychologist 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

that sounds like a rather unique concept to me, though im not as well traveled on the internet as some.

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[–] AutumnAngel 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Yeah, as others noted, there probably is flaws. My idea is definitely a shift. Part of it is based upon Dunbar's Number This asshole. We try to talk to too many folks on the Internet, yet our satisfaction is severely in the hole. My idea is to do the opposite of Facebook and reduce users down to a manageable level.

Edit: Basically create an "us versus them" environment where you do not have to talk to "them," which I think is healthy.

Edit 2: Gah, drunk, and before one (not you) says, "That's the opposite of healthy!" Yeah, I see based upon thirty years of the Internet how everyone yelling at each other has worked out, ha ha. Maybe diversity is good in a minor mode, but the extreme diversity propagated today is an abject failure. Gah, I am going to bed. Hic.

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[–] Crensch [S] 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

I like it, but what do those not signed in see?

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[–] AutumnAngel 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I deleted what I wrote about four times, ha ha. I had thought about this a bit, but not thoroughly, and so now called upon it, I realize I need to do more thinking. But, the basic answer would be they see the system without "allies" or "enemies." So all are neutral, including anonymous posts which I think is important. The hierarchy being for those logged in: Ally, Neutral, Anonymous, Enemy. Anonymous near the bottom allows someone without an account to yell, but the low ranking (which would be clearly explained) gives him an incentive to create an account.

I need to come up with different words, because "Enemy" is not what I would want to use for the system.

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[–] BaneGhostiSwear 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

voat on voats

thanks for keeping rope-makers in business, retard!

that is a stupid idea. instead, a human team that removes child porn, actual spam (not people talking a lot), and illegal content (threats of violence).

and does it in an entirely transparent way with perma logs and community oversight.

of course, the removal of all the current censorship would be required for any intelligent person to begin using voat again after @puttitout decimated and abandoned it.

  • sanegoatiswear.

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[–] AutumnAngel 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Human team ... donate to my patreon so I can afford it.
Perma logs ... I presume this violates privacy, you tyrant.
Community oversight ... so you like mods?
Are you sure you are sane?
And "retard?" Really? "Rope makers" (no dash in between, silly) was acceptable. But the "retard" just did not follow it up with the oomph that I expected from you.

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[–] Crensch [S] 5 points -3 points (+2|-5) ago  (edited ago)

As if I'd hide my thoughts because someone from an anonymous subverse might "call me out".

To the rest of you, it's mostly me and some SBBH guys getting attacked from anon now - how long until it's your brand of wrongthink?

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