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[–] ElementalPee 27 points 155 points (+182|-27) ago  (edited ago)

Except for the downvote sniping and hints of unnatural community manipulation, I'm theoretically all for this. One of the highlights of voat for me was when the Bernie guys and Trump guys were split about evenly but we were all anti establishment and wanted nothing to do with Clinton. I'm sure a lot of folks here would love a platform to debate the left where they wouldn't get permabanned. Problem is, the left can't debate. They can call you names. They can say a buzzword. They can ban. But they straight can not debate. They're cowards. I mean, even this seems like some kind of scheming attempt to seize control. All they have to do is have some balls and show up and make their case.

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[–] iownyou 1 points 184 points (+185|-1) ago 

Except theyre not coming to "debate", theyre coming to downvoat comments they dislike en masse and embed their censor-happy mods into our subverses. Do you really think these people have any interest in " debating"?

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[–] Decidueye 1 points 76 points (+77|-1) ago 

That's right. One of their sub goals is literally creating a safe space.

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[–] HomerChimpson 0 points 34 points (+34|-0) ago 

We've been through it before. It never works here.

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[–] Bobtheviolent 0 points 17 points (+17|-0) ago 

I just bailed on reddit I hope to God that doesn't happen. I would rather deal with hateful trolls than banhammer due to a different opinion

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[–] daskapitalist 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

I'm getting close to 80k SCP. I fear no downvotes. Bring altetnative viewpoints, and we will enjoy the growth and productive discussion.

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[–] BLOODandHONOUR [S] 0 points 74 points (+74|-0) ago 

Yes, they haven't ever had the opportunity to debate. Any opposition is removed and banned or hidden. To them it is absolutely ridiculous to ever see the alternative of their opinion or belief because to them- in their own little world- the truth is always present.

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[–] Samsquamch 0 points 55 points (+55|-0) ago 

Which is why they're discussing mass down voting the content they don't like, instead of mass upvoting the content they do like.

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[–] HungryCrow 0 points 24 points (+24|-0) ago 

I don't see it the same way. To the modern left anyone that disagrees with them is evil and hateful. They don't debate, they condemn. Debating them is absolutely pointless, they're cult members.
It used to frustrate me but I'm confident of a better future so now the left amuses me.

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[–] Thisismyvoatusername 4 points 27 points (+31|-4) ago 

I really miss how Voat was when I joined. It was much more of a debate site. The predominant ideological outlook of users was probably right of center libertarians, but there were people of many different views. Upvotes were given for good vigorous debate and downvotes really only went to illegal content or true spam.

Sadly, too many people in the various reddifugee waves brought their reddit voting behavior with them and this site suffered as a result. I don’t know that a large amount of contrary downvoting really fixes the site, though.

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[–] 9-11 3 points 12 points (+15|-3) ago 

Leftists can't debate. They downvoat aka censor especially if you blow their argument out of the water. Leftist ideas in general cannot become wide spread in the populace without suppression of the right/conservatism...which is what sprung up all the white guilt and self hatred we see in society today.

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[–] silverhare 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I joined Whoaverse (now Voat) two months after it opened in 2014. I rarely post or comment but as someone with an interest in online community development since my days on The Well in the 90s, it's been interesting to watch Voat evolve with the various waves of migrations from reddit.

10 years ago, you could have a conversation on reddit with people with different viewpoints. People say that the Digg exodus killed reddit but it had already gone downhill before that. It took even less time for conversations to dissolve here. I'll be interested to watch what happens here over the next 6-8 months with the fracturing of reddit's firearms community.

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[–] Sk8rminion 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

If you really want debate the platform you want is: kialo

Honestly, I wish voat would adapt some of their ideas instead of statically sticking with the format that is bringing reddit to its knees.

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[–] Caffeinewhore22 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Is the upvote/down vote different than reddit should be? I was always under the impression that ups and downs were supposed to be used to show that something is either correct factually, or in the case of meme and non fact related things to show that it was enjoyed.

Reddit refugee who doesn't want a new reddit safespace

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[–] MillstoneNecklace 0 points 21 points (+21|-0) ago 

Agreed, but it's good intelligence work so we can be ready.

Also, it's always great to see the Voat immune system in action when these people show up.

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[–] WitnesstheSalt 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

You have my sword! And my axe! And my dankest memes!