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[–] bdmthrfkr [S] 1 points 90 points (+91|-1) ago 

I hadn't heard ANYTHING about this until I saw this:

https://kek.gg/i/4g7_mf.png

This morning. How the fuck did this fly under our radar?!?

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[–] Dereliction 0 points 99 points (+99|-0) ago 

Why are we always scurrying around and playing whack-a-mole every time a new bill comes up instead of taking proactive steps to fight censorship?

Because almost no one represents our interests in government.

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[–] cm18 0 points 17 points (+17|-0) ago 

Attrition. Those that want more and more control are working to exhaust us. They conserve their energy by knowledge of group psychology and having lots of resources to experiment till with. Those of us paying attention are can only do so much, and the rest of the public are to busy trying to keep their homes and jobs to fight this crap.

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[–] Breivik 1 points 14 points (+15|-1) ago 

You already know the solution. I can't work out of my jail cell. But you can.

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[–] bdmthrfkr [S] 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

This.

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[–] TheonGreyjoy 0 points 34 points (+34|-0) ago  (edited ago)

It even has bipartisan support and no one is talking about it, I'm certain we're fucked.

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[–] bdmthrfkr [S] 0 points 37 points (+37|-0) ago 

How the hell is this not all over the news? Oh.

https://kek.gg/i/4tBXr4.jpeg

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[–] MaunaLoona 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Another word for bipartisan support is collusion between the parties with disregard for their constituents.

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[–] 12030547? 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

That's why no one is talking about it.

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[–] ShinyVoater 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

It gets talked about every now and again, but mostly it's supportive. The terrifying parts are all based on the consequences, not the literal wording, so it makes it harder to attack.

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[–] ready-ignite 1 points 13 points (+14|-1) ago 

DA's are pushing for this for the power to arbitrarily shake down internet businesses operating within bounds of the law. I suspect it's all a power and money thing to harass companies that do not defer to them, and create another tool to ensure the 'right' companies win and the ones that don't play ball get shaken up. It's building a godamn protection racquet.

Case in point -- Kamala Harris loved this in California. She signed letters to senate requesting holes carved in Section 230 protections, expressing explicit detail understanding of how these protections work in written form. After that documented understanding she would go on to harass and bully companies operating within the bounds of Section 230 protections. For example, she aggressively targeted Backpage going so far as to arrest their CEO without cause who went on to countersue leaving taxpayers on the hook for wrongful arrest damages. The legal case against Backpage documents a company operating completely above board with Section 230 including sample case where a fake illegal position was made to the site, the company notified of the item, the company review and took down the submission thanking the law enforcement agency for bringing it to their attention, within reasonable timeframe defined by Section 230. That was the core argument against the company -- a detailed example of operating a website and handling when illegal content is posted to the site in a timely and reasonable way.

For further reading about Kamala's adventures shaking down lawful businesses Techdirt covered the story over the months, search her name for good detail from a legal perspective.

Another example is the entertainment industries attempted use of DA's to shake down Google. The Sony Hack revealed extensive collusion between entertainment industry officials and DA hassling google, going so far as to draft legal filings on behalf of the DA. Had this hole in Section 230 existed it would provide a sufficiently ambiguous tool as to have effectively shaken down Google at that time.

Then there's the witch hunt of aggressive DA's going after Aaron Schwartz. This is another legal weapon that can be leveled against disruptive visionaries building the next Google, or major online commerce, that upsets the established accepted internet companies.

Can just round up the innovator and harass them ad nauseum. Don't like that competitor? Just hire reputation management team from across the country to bombard their site with links to copyright infringing items. Generate huge costs a small company can't handle and effectively put them out of business. Monopoly 101. Once you're big enough, create trenches of regulation and other hurdles a new smaller company can't climb.

This is an incredibly powerful exemption that can be easily misused by a body of government we've had many examples in recent years of abusing their powers as a shake down technique. This is an area of government that needs a fresh dose of light and fresh air cleaning up the bad actors that have come to inhabit that space. Instead handing over new tools to behave VERY badly for personal profit is a terrible ideas. This creates a lot of incentive to shake down innocent companies on behalf of possible large donors, then run for Senate as the payoff.

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[–] bdmthrfkr [S] 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

This isn't just about money at the moment, it is about investing in a strategy which will give them more power (money) in the future. Shut down free speech sites now and when you have total control (again) then you will make ALL of the moneys.

You are right, this is about money (power) but it is also about controlling opposition. These people are sick.

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[–] The_Red_Kraken 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago  (edited ago)

There seems to be no other choice. We need an ultimate solution.

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[–] bdmthrfkr [S] 1 points 9 points (+10|-1) ago 

If only I could come up with one...

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[–] TheKobold 3 points 69 points (+72|-3) ago  (edited ago)

Suddenly makes sense why reddit purged all their freaky porn, lolis, and fucked up shit. They probably got a heads up from their CIA masters.

But we might not have to worry to much...

“This bill is overly broad and will be counterproductive in the fight to combat human trafficking,” said a statement from the Internet Association, an organization including Google, Facebook, Twitter, and Apple as members. “While not the intention of the bill, it would create a new wave of frivolous and unpredictable actions against legitimate companies rather than addressing underlying criminal behavior.

Silicone valley doesn't like it, we know why, but even so their logic is legit.

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[–] tonberry2 0 points 40 points (+40|-0) ago 

“While not the intention of the bill, it would create a new wave of frivolous and unpredictable actions against legitimate companies rather than addressing underlying criminal behavior."

Pretty sure this IS the intention of the bill. So long as the rules are overly broad you can use them to target certain sites while ignoring others for doing the same thing.

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[–] l_voated_today 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

facebook has the resources to deal with it and is unlikely to be the target of government action, voat on the other hand...

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[–] captainstrange 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Thats the intention. Go after voat, the chans, gab, etc.

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[–] Tsilent_Tsunami 2 points 4 points (+6|-2) ago 

Silicone valley

Cleavage.

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[–] RevanProdigalKnight 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I for one would absolutely love to work in Silicone Valley.

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[–] Fagtardicus 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago  (edited ago)

what are you gay or some shit?

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[–] 12029143? 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

Silicone valley

My favorite porn star

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[–] rndmvar 0 points 56 points (+56|-0) ago 

They already pull this crap now, by pushing pedo shit to public sites, to try and shut them down. This would be their final tool to do it.

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[–] bdmthrfkr [S] 0 points 23 points (+23|-0) ago 

Before all they could do was use the court of public opinion to punish sites, now they will use actual courts.

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[–] prairie 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

They want it to where they just need a shill to post "It's okay to be white" and that be grounds for shutting the site down.

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[–] Subtenko 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

So if that appears on cnn or anywhere like buzzfeed......?

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[–] hikoo 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Is this what happened to 4chan when uploading was disabled and they removed the legacy captcha?

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[–] PeBeFri 0 points 47 points (+47|-0) ago 

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[–] bdmthrfkr [S] 0 points 18 points (+18|-0) ago 

Until the dual citizens in Congress are thrown out this will always be an issue.

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[–] 0rion 2 points 37 points (+39|-2) ago 

Now it makes sense why so many websites have been flooded with CP lately...I knew something seemed off.

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[–] drdeadringer 4 points -2 points (+2|-4) ago 

What are some examples of these "so many websites"? We must have vastly different browsing habits.

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[–] 0rion 1 points 8 points (+9|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Well Dr. Dead Faggot, I'm glad you asked that question!

For one, we have the FBI running child pornography websites, allowing users to download images to their computers.

For two, child pornography is being spread and shared on social media websites. With the government watching everything we do on the internet, does it not seem odd that this is allowed to happen?

And for three, all I have to say is 4chan.

If you seriously need to be supplied with examples at this point, you clearly have not been paying attention. We probably do have vastly different browsing habits, I like to stay informed on current events and things that generally matter in the world. What do you use the internet for?

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[–] RedditIsForLiberals 3 points 28 points (+31|-3) ago  (edited ago)

Is this the spark that ignites the New American Civil War?

Very fucking likely.

If I am a US representative, I'd be shitting my pants right about now, knowing full well that if we attack the 2nd amendment then egregiously attack the 1st, that tens of thousands of patriotic Americans will hunt me down and kill me for treasonous offenses against the Constitution.

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[–] Hypercyberpastelgoth 3 points 14 points (+17|-3) ago 

look at this too. https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/803bzd/drama_so_brian_crecente_responded_to_our/ they want to ban games and porn and anime and guns and internet and everything we're going full Libya it's the start of a civil war.

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[–] MESHNET 1 points 7 points (+8|-1) ago  (edited ago)

If those patriotic Americans quit funding psychopaths by quitting their jobs, cutting off the tax flow to the psychopaths, and working directly with their local communities and Nature to meet their needs, government wouldn't be needed and would fade away like a herpes outbreak. They could start p2p meshnets to enable communication outside of the DARPAnet!

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[–] drdeadringer 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

This sounds unlikely to happen. For a simple example, it's been known for a few years that people like bread and circuses a little bit more than an entire lifetime fueled by never-ending active violent anger.

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[–] elitch2 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Your government has been breaking it's own rules since Washington. Ever heard of the Whiskey Rebellion?

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[–] Tallest_Skil 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Is this the spark that ignites the New American Civil War? Very fucking likely.

You’re delusional. Speech has been restricted for decades. The last century has been nothing but the government violating the Constitution. No one has risen up. No one ever will. Ever.

tens of thousands of patriotic Americans will hunt me down and kill me

This isn’t going to happen, dipshit. No one in government is afraid of anything.

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[–] ForTheUltimate 0 points 25 points (+25|-0) ago  (edited ago)

DarkNet I2P ZeroNet XANET ACTIVATE

mwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

TO THE ULTIMATE, WE WILL NOT STOP.

Make voat open source and easy to run. We'll put it out everywhere.

Steemit TM.

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[–] MESHNET 1 points 14 points (+15|-1) ago 

The gov developed the "darknet". Do you really think they don't have more wide open backdoors than a gay pride parade?

You're on the right track though! P2P meshnet development is the answer for now.

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[–] cm18 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Bullcrap. The darknet is to hard to reach for the average person. Also, over time, they'll slowly demonize the darknet, and because you don't have enough people looking at the internet alternatives, public option will turn against you and criminalize any internet that cannot be monitored.

This is all about consolidating control of the internet into the hands of a few large conglomerates like youtube, facebook, reddit, etc. that can afford to police their content. Alternatives will be put out of business because they cannot afford to hire "moderators". To suppose that the dark net will save us is foolish.

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[–] midnightblue1335 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

"Slowly demonize the darknet"? It's called the fucking dark net- I think we're a long way into the process of demonizing. Should turn into a demon and start speaking tongues any second now...

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[–] auggs 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Is it possible for a computer scrub to learn networking for peer 2 peer and all that jazz?

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[–] the_sharpest_knife 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Yes. Everyone starts out as a scrub.

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[–] NeoGoat 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I was wondering about I2P.

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[–] neverrelaxe 1 points 18 points (+19|-1) ago 

Cut off the head and 8 more appear. Tor, i2p, freenet. Good luck jackboots.

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[–] bdmthrfkr [S] 0 points 35 points (+35|-0) ago 

I happen to like our head right where it is.

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[–] cm18 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago  (edited ago)

No, dummy. Its about consolidating the regular web into a small number of hands such as youtube.com that can afford to police its content. Its real intent is to control discorse on the internet. You can go to the dark web, but there are two major problems with this. One is that the dark web is hard for the average person to get to, the second is that government has become very adept at rooting out web sites such as drug sites.... so they can and will go after the dark web sites as well... unless they have the money or manpower to police the content on their sites.

This is all about killing any competition to youtube, reddit, and facebook. It's all about consolidation of eyeballs, and thus mind control and power.

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[–] WickedVocalist 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago  (edited ago)

According to Google Voat doesn't exist now since 2015. So what the fuck is the point? I don't give a shit.

There's always another venue. Burn one bridge and it frees up the site to have another. That's all. Nothing lasts forever. Voat is infiltrated anyway by shills.

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