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[–] the_sovereign ago 

the sign of someone getting truly desperate.

Only if I didn't have a retort.

Just like the red color of Nazi flags, or the flashy SS uniforms by Hugo Boss, or the fact that Hitler was vegetarian

Non sequitur. Hitler being a vegetarian doesn't compare to the book that forms the foundation of Nazi philosophy.

Yes. But he did not call for genocide of Jews in the book.

I literally gave you a quote. You said that it was out-of-context, but they did send Jews to a gas chamber, so clearly it was not just a metaphor for WW1.

The founding fathers of Marxism were much more vocal about killing people

No disagreement here. And millions more people perished at their hands. How does this help your point?

Excuse me? This is pure bullshit

I gave you a pretty good explanation of how the publication of Mein Kampf was a cornerstone of the Nazi rise to power. If Mein Kampf wasn't published, it's highly unlikely that the Germans would even know who Hitler was. The Nazis also made a big point to give out the book to as many people as possible. To suggest that the book didn't lead to the Holocaust is delusional. You already admitted that the book contributed to the Holocaust, so I don't even know why you're still arguing.

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[–] MasivGam3 ago  (edited ago)

book that forms the foundation of Nazi philosophy

It forms no foundation of anything. Philosophy? What the hell. It was personal views of the guy on variety of assorted things. It was a very, very tamed and ordinary book. There is much more "philosophy" here on Voat than in Mein Kampf.

I literally gave you a quote.

Did you? Can you give it again please, I am afraid I missed it. Though I remember him expressing bitter regrets that it was his friends who died in the poison gas in the trenches of WWI and not the bunch of fat cat Jewish war profiteers who made money from that. I am sorry, wishing a bunch of bankers dead is not the same as calling for a genocide, even if those happen to be Jewish bankers.

they did send Jews to a gas chamber, so clearly it was not just a metaphor for WW1

No, dear Sir. There is no cause and effect link here. Those two things are not related and are separated by 20 years or so. And what he wrote was not even a metaphor. It was just a bitching by a bitter man. And it was said speaking about past events.

How does this help your point?

My point is that there you indeed can speculate about a causal link as there are clearly expressed calls for systemic extermination of people. Unlike in Mein Kampf.

I gave you a pretty good explanation

False. All your "explanations" are half assed speculations which do not prove anything.

the publication of Mein Kampf was a cornerstone of the Nazi rise to power

I didn't know that to rise to power is so easy.

If Mein Kampf wasn't published, it's highly unlikely that the Germans would even know who Hitler was

Of course not. But one silly book - and the whole world trembles before his power. Seriously?

The Nazis also made a big point to give out the book to as many people as possible.

So what? In USSR they were printing tons of useless propaganda crap and shipping it around in truckloads. So what? Yes, they did. So what?

To suggest that the book didn't lead to the Holocaust is delusional.

No. It did not. If mass genocide would be so easy to set up, we would be living in a Marvel Universe probably. Don't you yourself realize how silly you sound? Publish a stupid boring book and suddenly you rule the world and murder millions? For fucks sake, man! Get your shit together!

You already admitted that the book contributed to the Holocaust

To "contribute to" and to "cause" are two very different things.

so I don't even know why you're still arguing

I don't like murky waters, that's why. I dislike people staking unsubstantiated claims and then "proving" them with their speculations.

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[–] the_sovereign ago 

It was a very, very tamed and ordinary book

Just because you keep saying that doesn't make it true. It wasn't a silly book like some Marvel comic book. It was a book about Hitler's political ideologies and philosophies as well as his future plans for Germany.

There is no cause and effect link here

Again just because you keep repeating it doesn't make it true. Hitler wrote "the nationalization of our masses will succeed only when, aside from all the positive struggle for the soul of our people, their international poisoners are exterminated" And then when Hitler rose to power, he did just that. Is that enough cause and effect for you?

I didn't know that to rise to power is so easy.

Well it is, and it's a reason why people make so many references to the Nazis in politics as tiresome as it may be.

To "contribute to" and to "cause" are two very different things.

This appears to be the crux of your argument, but you are also trying to defend the book as being very tamed and ordinary when it's the exact opposite of that. It is only harmless now because we know what evil it spawned in people. Hitler's ideology is the true cause of the Holocaust. His book was just another medium to spread his evil ideology. If this is the aspect that you are hung up on then fine, but you cannot deny that this book clearly influenced millions of Germans to Nazism.