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[–] MasivGam3 ago  (edited ago)

when the author and the primary audience (the Germans) systematically committed genocide?

The personality of the author has nothing to do with the presence or absence of a direct cause-and-effect relationship between the book and the genocide. They were part of the same picture, but there is no proof that the book caused the genocide, which was your original claim. You are just talking nonsense at this point already.

And I literally quoted you a passage saying as much.

And I literally quoted to you the German original demonstrating that you rely on mistranslation and a priory assumptions, cherry picking details that suite you well while ignoring other much more likely possibilities.

Just to be clear - there is no proof that existence of "Mein Kampf", a rather ordinary and tame book for that time period, directly led to the genocide of Jews. It might have been a contributing factor, a one detail of the whole picture, but there is no direct cause-and-effect link.

What's ridiculous is that you're still defending such an antisemitic tome.

And here we come to the root of the problem. You think that it is right to talk nonsense as long as the subject is Antisemitic. And none is supposed to intervene, because that would be "morally wrong" and in some countries (Germany) even illegal. But this approach has created a lot of problems in the modern world, where you replace a sensible dialog and scientific analysis with an cult-like ideology with its "right" and "wrong" opinions, taboos and untouchable topics, and anyone pointing out flaws in your reasoning suddenly becomes someone who "defends Antisemitism".

That sick ideological obsession is doing more harm to the modern society than "Mein Kampf" ever did.

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[–] the_sovereign ago 

First of all it's a priori. Second, let me quote you:

"It might have been a contributing factor"

So you are open to the idea that the book inspired genocide. Take into consideration that it was a best selling book selling millions of copies and made Hitler quite rich. Clearly there were some steps between Mein Kampf being published and the Holocaust, but the book clearly influenced millions of Germans. The fact that Hitler rose to power shortly thereafter, and the fact that Jews were literally gassed means your defense is well indefensible.

And here we come to the root of the problem.

Uhh no, but it is concerning that you can't seem to acknowledge this, or why antisemitism is bad just like any other form of racism.

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[–] MasivGam3 ago  (edited ago)

First of all it's a priori.

Now you have resorted to correcting typing errors - the sign of someone getting truly desperate. The last resort.

So you are open to the idea that the book inspired genocide.

I said that it might have contributed. Just like the red color of Nazi flags, or the flashy SS uniforms by Hugo Boss, or the fact that Hitler was vegetarian - it might have pleased a lot of folks and made them accept Nazi ways which eventually led to the genocide. Damn those vegetarians!! They caused Holocaust!!! (Your logic)

the book clearly influenced millions of Germans

Yes. But he did not call for genocide of Jews in the book. He did not call for any genocide at all. For that matter, was that Marx or Engels who wrote that the "racial trash" - the Slavs - shall perish in the revolutionary Holocaust? The founding fathers of Marxism were much more vocal about killing people. Bernard Shaw in his public speeches called for mass murder of "useless people" by poison gas. Nothing like that ever was in Mein Kampf, but somehow that silly little book is blamed for all possible horrors.

fact that Hitler rose to power shortly thereafter, and the fact that Jews were literally gassed means your defense is well indefensible.

Excuse me? This is pure bullshit. If anything is "indefensible" then it is these your silly claims. You haven't provided any valid proof of any of your claims. All you come forward with is wishful thinking.

Uhh no, but it is concerning

I am not of your choir, so please excuse me if i do not indulge in your ritual dances, but want to stay reasonable.