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[–] raisinade 2 points 58 points (+60|-2) ago 

My generation makes me sad. Of course as pathetic as this is, it's not as bad as failing to pass on basic information to ones descendents, and then looking down at those descendents for not knowing basic information. Fuckin' boomers.

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[–] webrustler 0 points 28 points (+28|-0) ago 

I think teaching basic manual skills is a parents responsibility. It only takes showing kids at a young age the cool things you can do with tools. Let them fuck up and learn from that. The best learning is done from ones own mistakes. It takes patience and time. It will sure come in handy when your shitter is overflowing.

When the chain of knowledge is interrupted or muted by suboptimal parenting, it takes only one or two generations for that knowledge to be lost.

Anyway, this discussion made me think of Monty Python's take on the generational problem.

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[–] somethingissmarmy 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

You forgot the grandparents. My grandfather taught me survival skills carpentry etc.

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[–] dontforgetaboutevil 5 points 20 points (+25|-5) ago 

It's not this simple. You can't blame the boomers for not passing down what neither they nor by proxy you would have any use for. The entire society charged during the baby boomer era to become all about having jobs and not about working for yourself. That changed education to make it more about teaching how to work in factories, be punctual and obedient.

Basically you can't blame this on the boomers. This is the fault of the bankers who consolidated all the money and land and left people with no recourse but to be 'ployee's all their life. 100 years 90% of Americans were self employed. Your damn right those men could swing a hammer. But now a days the ambition of most men is to be a flunky for a wage.

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[–] SirDigbyChikenCaesar 2 points 12 points (+14|-2) ago 

Basically you can't blame this on the boomers.

And yet I choose to.

100 years 90% of Americans were self employed.

Source?

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[–] Samchay6 2 points 8 points (+10|-2) ago 

It's not "the boomers," it's their increased sub group; fucking hippies.

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[–] 0fsgivin 3 points 7 points (+10|-3) ago 

Nooo.. They have been the most reckless and selfish generation to have EVER walked the soil of the USA.

They have spent more money on themselves than ANY generation and when they ran out of their parents money. Took out loans there kids have to pay back.

If they had simply been USELESS this would have been a vast improvement.

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[–] Ina_Pickle 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I don't blame the boomers either. I blame their parents.

They may have universally been suffering PTSD from the World Wars and the Great Depression, but they still threw hundreds of years of traditional child rearing out the window and raised the enormous brood of assholes who are currently tearing our civilization apart.

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[–] BlowjaySimpson 6 points 14 points (+20|-6) ago 

Boomers fucked my generation, simply because they let the state raise us.

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[–] Beastacles 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

And cut funding for those raising you.

Both parents working (if they are together), kids in daycare or after shcool care. Video games when they are home. There is no push to learn...

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[–] bob3333 5 points -1 points (+4|-5) ago 

Always somebody else's fault, isn't it?

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[–] hey_girls_pm_me_toes 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

When mom and dad are to busy trying to find fuckbuddies on Facebook to give a shit about their offspring what do you expect.

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[–] Andalusian1 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Honestly. And without a SAH parent to guide them because they both have to work, kids continuously get fucked out of life skills.

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[–] dontforgetaboutevil 0 points 26 points (+26|-0) ago 

There is something else going on here. GenX wasn't awesome with the tools either. I had to learn them on my own as I got more and more involved with construction and outdoor gardening AS HOBBIES. My dad tried to teach me about this stuff when I was a boy and I learned a tiny little bit but mostly I sat around playing video games and learned fuck all during my childhood that wasn't related to science or history.

You can blame the culture or whatever but none of that makes sense. What caused this is 100% the result of people living in cities and not having land of their own to manage. How can my dad have taught me the importance of growing my own food when we lived on a 50X20 trailer plot? Or others who live in those fucking mcmansions in the suburb without even enough yard between them for a volleyball court.

People only learn how to build if they have stuff to build on. The bastard scum who rule this nation have consolidated all the land and the fucking money so badly that nobody is really able to do to much of anything on their own. Except country people.

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[–] Andalusian1 2 points 8 points (+10|-2) ago 

Owning land is expensive...Dem property taxes.

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[–] Rakosman 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

The rise in renting really shit on things. People literally don't have the opportunity to learn in a lot of cases. You can't work on your car in the lot, you can't put nail holes in the walls, you don't have your own yard.

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[–] dontforgetaboutevil 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

The taxes are way less than the mortgage interest. The trick to owning land is the same as getting a good deal financing a car. You need a lot of money down. The more the better.

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[–] spherical_cube 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

I grew up knowing how to drive a stick shift and changed my own oil, plugs, filters. Even was forced to change a flat tire. By myself. No help from anyone. No cell phones, couldn't call anyone.

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[–] aria_taint 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

I love the commercial with the mother talking about her half retarded kid who got a flat tire and thank god they had roadside assistance insurance to come and change it becuae god knows the means of changing the tire aren't 4 feet from the driver and could be done in 10 minutes.

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[–] AeroHammer 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I don't see an issue here

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[–] dontforgetaboutevil 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Yeah I had to do all of that too. But the stick shifts are pretty much gone. Somebody needs to make a simulator game of that or the kids will know nothing. Changing a tire though is gonna happen to the millenheads too.

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[–] TauCeti 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

playing video games

The core issue comes out. Video games (and now cell phones) are massive distraction from doing other things as a kid.

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[–] eagleshigh 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I had a balance between video games and going outside when I was a kid. (Going outside with friends more though.)

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[–] Cheesebooger 3 points 1 points (+4|-3) ago 

I'm gen X and consider us the most based of all gen's.

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[–] Koalemos_Grottesco 3 points 7 points (+10|-3) ago  (edited ago)

Unsurprisingly only Gen X'ers actually believe this. They were largely a catalyzing force for degeneracy and societal breakdown.

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[–] 8stripes 0 points 19 points (+19|-0) ago 

My friends consider me a carpentry wizard because I have installed crown moulding... They have next to zero skills. 90% couldn't even change a drillbit. It is nice being able to charge the rich millennials $800 for a pine table that costs me $100 and 24 hours to make though

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[–] QualityShitposter 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

Can confirm price gouging. Cabinet shop wanted $2500 for custom vanity that I built for under $300.

As a handy guy, I like getting quotes to lift my spirits during a project. Saving $6k on a new roof that takes you 12 evenings to finish equals $500/night for a couple hours of exercise.

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[–] KikeFree 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

For roofing, doing it yourself ensures that it's done well. Almost nobody gives enough of a damn to do it right, even when paid. However, the overhead a pro-roofer has justifies the high price, here you need all sorts of insane insurance coverage and other payroll shit for employees.

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[–] XSS1337 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

My man Ron Fucking Swanson over here

+1

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[–] Thrus2 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Have you ever looked into using old pallets? My dad did this for a while. You do have much more wast lumber and time to plane it smooth or find the good wood vs bad. But some places will give them to you by the trailer full for free since they would have to pay to dispose of them if they don't reuse them. Also this makes them into reclaimed wood tables and that at least was a buzz word adding to the cost since it is more ecofriendly.

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[–] 10748336? 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Pallets are man of pressure treated wood aren't they? I don't really want that kind of wood in my home where the chemicals can leach out.

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[–] bob3333 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

That's only $29 per hour. Good, but not great.

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[–] Thrus2 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

If you are working it as a hobby that isn't bad. plus that is doing one table. The trick is to make 5 if you have the space to do it at once so that each time you setup a tool you can do it 5 times over and not have to reset. Plus that may include time for glue to dry and while that uses up work space it doesn't use up work time that can be on other projects.

Edit: another trick is make the table out of old pallets from factories they often have to pay to get rid of them so will give them to you for free. this lowers your supply cost but raises time for break down. On the flip side it is now a table made from reclaimed wood and that lets you up the price to $999 as it is environmentally friendly!

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[–] 8stripes 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Waiting on urethane to dry half that time. Problem is finding customers really. Most the time i let them pay me in a few installments.

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[–] A6-EGO 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

People have to be taught how to use a tape measure, are you fucking kidding me? On the list of things which are self explanatory the tape measure is pretty fucking high up there.

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[–] KikeFree 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

The loose tip might be confusing to some people, for about 10 seconds. Niggers is a different story.

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[–] Thrus2 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

In my experience most just ignore the tip being loose and it does its job for them by accident. Most have an old one from some family member so assume it is just wear and tear making it that way.

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[–] Ina_Pickle 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Reading a tape measure is the one thing Common Core actually still tries to teach, and apparently fails even at this.

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[–] 10748342? 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Why are some of the numbers red, sir?

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[–] mudcatca 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

I figure either the asteroid will finally hit, NK will release a superflu, or some similar apocalypse will occur in the next few years, whereupon all these kids are gonna get eaten by roving bands of elderly cannibals who still have basic lifeskills the younger generation lacks because they spent all of their time playing vidya and arguing about 57 genders

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[–] squarcle 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

"roving bands of elderly cannibals"

hahaha sounds like a low budget syfy film.

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[–] Onlio 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

Home Depot has always had classes. I always thought it was a great thing to do as a business. Teach people how to do stuff and then "look! We sell all the stuff we just talked about!"

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[–] ForgotMyName 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

Yeah, but they were for actual projects. Like tiling a bathroom. Which, if you've never done before, you may very well have no idea how to do. I need backerboard? How do I get the slope right? How do I layout the tiles? How do I keep the gaps even on them? Etc. This is very different from, "How do I hammer a nail." At that point the answer should just be, "apply hammer to head."

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[–] FireMarshallBill 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

HEAD-ON, APPLY DIRECTLY TO FOREHEAD!

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[–] stillinit 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

I dated a high school teacher not too long ago. She said her students didn't know how to type on a normal qwerty keyboard, but they can type on their phones just fine! Pathetic.

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[–] MCVoat 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

but... but..but phones have QWERTY!?!?!

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[–] IndianaJones75 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

This doesn't make any sense.

Also, given what passes for teaching, I wouldn't be surprised if there was an element of projection somewhere.

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[–] MrPim 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

I had a job interview just this morning where one of the requirements was the ability to use a ruler. Calipers as well. QC of parts being in spec. The interviewer said 'Youd be amazed how many people cant use a ruler' . Fucking hell I consider this a basic skill.

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[–] Skyrock 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I've learned to use a ruler in elementary school. It ranks somewhere between being able to write your own name and knowing the multiplication table.

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[–] thewhitewizzard 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

basic skill? that isn't even a basic skill, its below basic . . . .

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[–] Firevine 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I've never used calipers, but I'm sure it can't be that fucking hard. Not knowing how to use a ruler is pathetic, but I can see it happening, and that is sad.

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[–] whisky_cat 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Sounds like a machine shop, no?

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[–] MrPim 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Electronic manufacture. Similar enough to be the same essential functions. Electronic connectors which maintain a hermetic seal under pressure.

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