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[–] ZYX321 0 points 17 points (+17|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I am a massochist and enjoy working for my technology, like we had to do in the old days. To that end, I have basically removed Google from my life. So, here's what I have done for each of these:

Search: DDG. Drive: OwnCloud, hosted on my own server. Gmail: ProtonMail, paid account. YouTube: If I need YouTube content, I use NewPipe on my phone, no GMail account. The videos I post are usually of the type appropriate for Vimeo, so I don't typically post to YouTube. Maps: OpenStreetMap. Pick a client. I use OSMand becuase I am a contributor to the OSM data, and have unusual transportation requirements, so the more complicated feature set is ideal for me. Doesn't quite past the wife test though. Chrome: Firefox. I don't miss Chrome at all... I'm not sure where the FF hate comes from. Works "well enough for me!" Not mentioned: Music, specifically, streaming your own collection: Ampache. Struggling to find a decent open source client, so tend to just use through web browser. Not mentioned: Phone: Motorola Android prepaid phone, officially allowed to unlock. Rooted. LineageOS. No Google services or apps installed. Not mentioned: Chat: Conversations XMPP client, eJabberD server self-hosted. Just me and a few family members. Fully federated with the world though, so... maybe 2 friends chat from their own XMPP setups.

Most of these things are "not as good" or "not as easy" when it comes to straight feature sets. But the privacy is significantly better. I may not need that privacy, but if the only people using encryption, privacy tools, etc are the people who actually need them, it makes it that much easier and economical for big bad gubment to go after them.

It's important to recognize that corporations, like government, can become "too big", where their nature changes. My most recent example is NetFlix... They used to just be an awesome service that offered you a way to view TV shows and movies from your home in a totally legal, convenient way. They became very successful, established their user base. Then they started producing their own shows. As their own productions become more successful, they'll have less need for other networks' content. And then they'll basically be just like the Cable networks. If you want to watch their shows, you have to throw the money at them and endure silly changes that just encourage you to watch more and more... The overall quality of the service degrades, but so many people are locked in for that one piece of content they can't find elsewhere that the company continues to succeed.

Google Talk supported and was based on XMPP when it started. If you were an XMPP user you would refer your buddies to get an account on Google because it was easy and ubiquitous and the web interface was pretty good. As more and more people had Google accounts for chat, Google started to close off that federation... today you can only talk to other Google users.

It's the way of things, and it's one of the reasons that alternatives and competition are important.

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[–] tinyhousesbrah 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Great post. My mind was blown when I realized (after attempting to be IT support to a family member) that Google doesn't allow multiple attachments to emails anymore. I think they wanted you to upload your images to one of their hosting solutions.

Putting in a plug here for Fastmail. Many geeks use it. It's a great alternative to Gmail for most people.

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[–] Reddiggoat 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Winamp 5.56 (2009, 10MB, last un-bloatwared version IMO) works very well if you only need MP3 and FLAC support (none of those silly apple filetypes.)

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[–] TheTrigger 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

That's for Windows though (and a beta for Linux, IIRC). Pretty sure he's talking about Android. If you're talking about a Windows client, I recommend foobar2000. It is the standard by which I compare all other media players. Insanely lightweight— it's sitting at ~10MBs atm (but I have dozens of plugins, for it, loaded), absolutely zero bloat, and (as aforementioned) you can add plugins to it to do damn-near anything you'd ever want to do to an audio-file: filetype conversions, tagging auto-fill/automation/customizable scripts, all sorts of DSP stuff, compatibility with all (yes, all) audio formats and mp3 players (iPods, too), etc etc.

Actually, I like that player so much (and am so annoyed that it isn't available for linux) that I go out of my way to have an instance of WINE setup— specifically to use it as my music player, instead of any of the native ones.

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[–] Tzitzimitl 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

DDG is just as if not worse than google

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[–] ZYX321 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Based on what? Frankly my immediate reaction to you is that you're full of shit, and just a negative person who likes to regurgitate the last rumor you saw and misunderstood that confirmed your hatred for yet another thing. But maybe you have an article or the articulation to explain why DDG is worse than Google.

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[–] solar_flare 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Free? You can try Tutanota, but to be sure you'd probably have to learn how to encrypt email with your correspondents by using GPG.

Remember email does not use secure protocols, so it can be picked up in the clear over the course of it's transmission and even if your end service is trustworthy/secure the people on the other end might not have the same.

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[–] ZYX321 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Protonmail has a free tier. But I would say at this point if the service is free and it isn't encrypted on the client side, they're making money off your data. Protonmail's free tier is certainly more like "shareware", they're hoping you'll pay for it one day. In any case, less data is available to them than to Google. That has a side effect though because if the server can't read your data, things like full text search are not as straightforward.

Still waiting on their open source Android client though.

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[–] FlimsyArmadillo 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Its the same in Australia. I miss Newsagents, where you'd go in to find rows and rows of magazines and newspapers from all over the world!

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[–] Reddiggoat 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Magazines are those 1900s analog click-bait websites right?

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[–] Kal 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Jesus fucking christ, when did every factual argument become a red pill?

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[–] trazzz 0 points 18 points (+18|-0) ago 

Red pill is a factual argument

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[–] Reddiggoat 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

The sky is blue. Oh man you got red-pilled so hard.

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[–] NonsenseAbounds 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Can't use Apple's iPhone because of data mining. Can't use Google's Android because of data mining.

What cellphone do we turn to? Alternately, how hard can it be to design and produce a new one? What kind of investment would that take?

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[–] frankenmine 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

You can flash any Android phone with a Google-free version of Android. The most popular version is LineageOS, formerly CyanogenMod. This does require some technical know-how.

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[–] A6-EGO 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

If you want a privacy, you can not have any phone. Even the most basic phone can be tracked through the use of triangulation with cell towers, that is just how the technology works. If you have to take calls then get a dumb phone and have it turned off with the battery out as much as possible.

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[–] 9973554 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

Don't use a phone.

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[–] leaffur 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I made the switch to a flip phone and I dont think i'm going back

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[–] wuzizname 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

By a flip phone, they still sell them and you'll pay 10 bucks a month.

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[–] Maroonsaint 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

Google never brings me good results when I'm trying to look at rape videos.

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[–] EIMR 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Does any searcher?

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[–] OKythen 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

For those who want to drop google: http://search.lores.eu/indexo.htm

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[–] Prudencia_Prim 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Free alternatives to all services: https://prism-break.org/en/all/

Additional alternative to Google Maps (not open source, but also not Google): https://wego.here.com

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[–] Alex_Jones 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Google doesn't offer you free service for nothing. It is receiving and analyzing all input data and uses algorithmic formulas for analysis. meaning based on your history they can potential predict trends and with better technology predict thw future. look into how Google and other tech groups help steer the "Arab Spring" to overthrow the government and steer the revolution to support and put in their chosen group and people. same technique used in Ukraine. this is the new version of overthrow. when the economic hit man method was not effective in countries outside of the world bank and imf.

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