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[–] WolvenWargod 0 points 80 points (+80|-0) ago 

I remember the absolute paralysis the country was under. They played those planes crashing for three days straight, nonstop, on every channel except cartoon network. Really fucked everyones heads way more than needed. Definately helped everyone hand over their lives and culture a lot more willingly

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[–] SexMachine 0 points 57 points (+57|-0) ago 

This. People were willing to trade freedom for security. The Patriot act was approved almost unanimously. 98/100 senators voted yes on it, while the American people were told that it will make us safer. I knew it was a sham then. It all happened way too fucking quickly, like it was already in the works.

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[–] 9723426? 0 points 38 points (+38|-0) ago 

The NSA had already been shopping around for support on a nationwide spying plan for years before 9/11. The attack came on a day where our air defenses were "running a drill" for exactly the kind of scenario that they claimed happened. The "16 intelligence agencies say there are WMDs" lie was cooked up based on the testimony of 1 tortured prisoner.

It seems to have all been planned for years in advance, like the Bay of Pigs invasion and the destruction of European sovereignty via the EU, the Euro, and the "single market".

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[–] TheTruthisPsyc91 0 points 23 points (+23|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Joe Biden Drafted the Core of the Patriot Act in 1995 … Before the Oklahoma City Bombing Patriot Act Was Drafted in 1995

Gun Prohibition History before + Ruby Ridge + Operation PATCON + ATF/FBI/Clinton/Gov funded Waco + OKC Bombing = 9/11 and the soon followed "Patriot" Act.

Further reading https://archive.org/details/OklahomaCityBombingSecrets-PatconAndTheStrategyOfTensions

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[–] 22jam22 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

Think about the bail out and how quickly they stole that money and sent it to banks overseas that was the fucking sham of the century... 9/11 was worse actualy considering it has led to 14 years strait of war in the middleneast wtih no end in sight and led to this muslim invasion of europe in a way as well.

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[–] WhiteRonin 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Total shame. I had lots of arguments on the net people were being turned into sheep but oh my oh my, we need to be safe!

Thanks fuckers!

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[–] RapeKathy6riffin [S] 0 points 21 points (+21|-0) ago 

I was at military school when the planes hit. Our school Commandant held a formation on the parade field, put us at ease, then proceeded to tell us we were now at war, that many countries would be attacked, that life would never be the same. I thought it was so uncalled for him to characterize things like that, through his own military lens for all the students, but in retrospect he was absolutely right, knowing a lot more about muslims and the military industrial complex than any of us, so he was spilling straight truth on us. Every class that day had a TV on showing the over and over penetration of those planes into our nation's tallest buildings -driving stakes into our hearts- alongside a narrative on every channel that the investigation was over before it started. Some guy named Osama did it....we even found some of his cronies passports in the millions of tons of wreckage. ...Good thing our press is beyond reproach and we can trust the information that we were given about that day.

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[–] WhiteRonin 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Don't remember the passports in the wreckage ... Amazing they survived the heat.

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[–] eagleshigh 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

Lmao. Yea, passports won't burn away upon impact. Fuck how did I not realize that years ago. I was a good goy.

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[–] Lobotomy 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Funny that you mention Cartoon Network. That channel cancelled several hours of broadcasting, I remember them just displaying a loop of a candle for most of the night.

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[–] ElectroGypsy 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I remember for a solid year it was everyone was in a daze and numb. The situation was honest to god surreal. It couldn't be fully appreciated how insane it all was until years later when you could reflect.

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[–] 1True_Morty 0 points 50 points (+50|-0) ago 

I agree with you completely.

I think 9/11 was a catalyst by design. Goats, and many others, are well aware that the official story has more holes than a sieve, and likely only very loosely relates to the complete truth behind the attack. It seems to me that it was a sort of signal to the Powers That Be to start the boulder rolling down the proverbial mountain toward whatever the goal is.

The question that remains in my mind is:

Whose goal? The Zionists, or someone else?

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[–] EvilWizardManannan 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

I wish I knew the real goal. Then I might be able to work backwards towards who, at least in my mind, should be held responsible. But start talking too much about it, and watch the shill brigade show up to start downvoating perfectly logical questions. This is one topic that I've found to be a surefire magnet for them. It's obviously where it all started since it's such a hotbutton issue, but you're absolutely correct, where does it end?

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[–] 22jam22 0 points 19 points (+19|-0) ago 

Google the mr smith effect.. When u bring up 9/11 was an inside job to anybody online or real world if they have not been red pilled its like the matrix and the regular person in front of you is turned into an agent matrix style and start spouting the official story lime their life depends on it.. Shit is weird when u start to notice it.. Read about it online now its all i think about when the shills start downvoating etc.

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[–] Mr_Wolf 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

Massive government ghettos.

Everyone on the same health care

Everyone gets the same food rations

Law enforcement inside is militarized

You can work for extra rations or a better living space.

Education is your full responsibility, but you get billed after graduation.

High grades on your final test lower your final bill. A high score can get you a free pass. ( but it will be rumored the whole payment system is a scam, it is)

Only real way out is joining the military

Joining the military cuts your bill in half

You can also throw "one race for all" in the mix

I pulled from varies sci fi books, just seems like thats where we are heading.

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[–] TheSeer 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

Ideological subversion. Societal inversion. It was definitely the Rothschild Zionists at the heart of it, Dick Cheney, Brezinski, Chertoff, Poppy Bush. Where does it end? With Satan on God's throne, if these people get their way. That is their 'Great Work'.

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[–] Cant_Call_It 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago  (edited ago)

It's not just on forums. It's everywhere. I know I can't just bring the 9/11 subject up with friends, family, or coworkers. I have to ease into it. I use to think I was red pilling but that's not the case, is it? I'm just talking to someone that is willing to listen to other ideas about a subject. The ones that I eventually feel comfortable talking to about it probably would have gotten there on their own. Basically, someone that would have found out for themselves anything I have to add. So what did I accomplish? It feels hopeless trying to show anything other than the narrative presented to us to anyone that only gets their news from the very people pushing that narrative.

Sorry. I'm not the best at putting my thoughts into words.

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[–] Mad_Dog91 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Look at who profited from the war my man.

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[–] Cheesebooger 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

or someone else?? are you for real? It was the jews

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[–] SurfinMindWaves 0 points 27 points (+27|-0) ago 

Air travel was definitely better.

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[–] Little2934 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

The pilots of all domesticate carriers also saw about a 50% decrease in their pay that, after 16 years, has only managed to get them back on track for what they were making pre 9-11. But with horrible work rules/conditions & schedules now. Talk about deplorable. Of course, the (mis)management, i.e. those that do nothing to contribute to the bottom line, continued to see pay increases and bonuses with no interruption at all. Disgisting.

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[–] SquarebobSpongebutt 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

I remember arriving at Hartsfield in Atlanta about 30 minutes before my flight boarding time, checking a bag, and getting on my flight. Just like that. Only reason I was even that early was because the shuttle only ran at certain times. Same on my return flight from LA. Now you are lucky to get on that plane if you are there an hour early. Sometimes you need 2.

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[–] Pwning4Ever 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Gotta show up 30minutes-1hr early to get groped by the TSA

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[–] sore_ass_losers 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I remember running through the airport in SF 5 minutes before my plane left and making it on the plane.

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[–] SurfinMindWaves 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Finding the silver lining to that cloud.

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[–] huhu11 0 points 24 points (+24|-0) ago 

Life before 2001 it was hard to get any info about how the world truly works and who's behind it pulling strings. All one could get was some rumors about massive spy agencies, but nothing was confirmed. Left in dark and concealed.

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[–] 22jam22 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

Jews were not even mentioned unless it was a fringe lunatic type now u see jews being exposed all the time.. Its been a major change its starting to creep into main stream thinking.. And the laws making haulcost denial illigal is having the oppisite effect... Makes people wonder why even discussing something is against freedom of speech.

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[–] ShineShooter 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

It's the Overton Window, and it's shifting quickly now.

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[–] 9725916? 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

We Germans, we know about the Jews. We tried to tell you and you attacked us.

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[–] EvilWizardManannan 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

Lots of people knew. Especially in the early days of the web and internet communication there was a LOT of decent information right out in the open. The only problem was that back then, labels like "tinfoil hat nutter" and "conspiracy theorist" and "crackpot" held a lot of weight.

One unintended side-effect of the attacks, in my opinion, was that it brought things way out in the open for people to discuss and those same people have been proven right so much that the labels are now meaningless.

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[–] goblin_ghost 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

There was a lot less information available back then, but tptb didn't realize the power of the internet so there was also a lot less intentional disinfo to wade through.

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[–] littul_kitton 1 points 7 points (+8|-1) ago 

All one could get was some rumors about massive spy agencies, but nothing was confirmed. Left in dark and concealed.

It wasn't rumors. It was cold hard fact, shining with the light of a thousand suns, obvious to anybody who bothered to look.

I speak, of course, of the export restrictions on cryptographic machines. Everybody knew that the NSA would only allow export of cryptosystems with 40-bit keys if (1) they could crack such keys and (2) they were getting enough intercepts to justify cracking them. From merely announcing the number "40" anyone could deduce the existence of the entire surveillance and analysis apparatus, and make pretty accurate estimates of its scope, budget, and capabilities.

In the 1990s I followed the cipherpunk movement closely and they taught me how to figure out how the NSA had to function based on simple arithmetic and public sources. The Snowden "revelations" are no such thing. The "revelations" are a narrative being pushed by a political faction who needed to manufacture a counterculture. I quit reading their shite early on, because they were merely recycling decades old cipherpunk doctrine and spoon feeding it to the masses as their accomplishment.

And of course they bury every attempt to discuss the fact that Snowden either started out as a Russian agent or defected with alarming speed. Even while also pushing the narrative that the Russians are an existential threat to the U.S.A. owing to infiltrating government at all levels.

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[–] malloryquinn 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Snowden was/is CIA. You never get to 'leave'. He went and fucked over the NSA. Guess who does deals with Russia to prevserve the cold war tension, and really really fucking hates the NSA getting big budgets and zero oversight? CIA.

Snowdens' whole mission was to fuck the NSA over.

I remember when you needed a munitions license to resell crypto, and then magically one day, it didn't matter. Was that not a sign that it had been fundamentally compromised? Of course.

Also another fun thing I just remembered, in 2001 we had ordered a few SUN E10000 servers. It took over a year to get them as SUN kept saying they had to redirect all big servers to some 'bigger client'. They mistakenly shipped one to us after a lot of complaining, and the manifest had shown that the one we got was a RMA from Langley VA. It's no big guess who was buying the biggest SUN machines like they were going out of style.

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[–] SwampAintDrained 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

the fact that Snowden either started out as a Russian agent or defected with alarming speed.

source?

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[–] portland_mud 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Oh the information was there but it was deemed as kooky conspiracy theories.

The information was limited to people who were "into using computers."

There were plenty of sites that talked about the CFR, Bilderbergs, the Trilateral Commission, World Trade Organization and plans for a world government.

The 1999 WTO protesters were right.

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[–] Pwning4Ever 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

It pisses me off that we have to get groped by the TSA everytime we fly just so we can "coexist"

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[–] SexMachine 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

When I first came back from Iraq, TSA told me that I had to take off my boots to go back through security while I was in uniform. I almost lost it.

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[–] Pwning4Ever 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

Its only sand nigs that do terrorist attacks, we're all losing our right to privacy so we can live with muslims. Fucking hell

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[–] WhiteRonin 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

No. It was post 911 so that they can prevent another situation.

But nobody talked about luggage, meal carts or ground attendants​. ;-)

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[–] Pwning4Ever 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

What are you, homophobe???

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[–] HungryCrow 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

Between the fall of the Berlin wall and 9/11 the fear mongers sure had it tough. The biggest news stories of the 90's were Rodney King, OJ Simpson and Monica Lewinsky. Desert Storm was a two day war, some troops died in Somalia and something bad happened in Rwanda but we were used to peace and assumed it was the default state of the world. That all changed instantly on 9/11. People reaching their twenties now can't even remember when the US was not at war.

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[–] NeoGoat 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

For a couple years, almost the.whole world was at peace. IRA had stopped its terrorism. PLO and Israel had peace. The only wars going were a few long term struggles like Shining Path and a few rebellions in Asia and probably Africa.

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[–] ElectroGypsy 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I love this topic because I was old enough to be a young adult and remember it.

Here's the thing, the 90s were kinda like the roaring 20s minus prohibition. The country was on a high note. Yeah we had shit like the Federal building bombing but things were so good it didn't phase us too much. We had just beat communism, millionaires were being created overnight in the tech industry, no serious enemies...everything was really good.

Go back and watch music videos from the 90s. Smash mouth or chumbawumbas tubthumping...That high color saturation was the trend in everything on screen. It was rich and vibrant and young and so colorful you could almost taste it. This wasn't just music videos but also shows like Dateline. It fit the mood of the era perfectly. It was like everyone in the country was a college kid with their entire lives ahead of them.

9/11 most definitely change things. People use it as a cynical punch line but it really did in so many ways. It reminded us that we're vulnerable. And it wasn't nukes sent by another country from the other side of the world raining from the sky to instantly end us but far simpler methods aimed to make most of us live and suffer perpetrated by uneducated poor shits for reasons that don't really matter because they're always changing. No appeasement or diplomacy. Nothing you can possibly do but fight.

Where we are now culturally, economically, politically, can be traced back to that day.

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[–] RapeKathy6riffin [S] 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I see it exactly like you. I member. People were happy and optimistic and it came to a screeching hault.

.....And as for the actual attack....I'm just as confused today as I was then to how a dozen cavemen orchestrated an effective takedown of our nation's defenses. Why did NORAD not shoot down these planes? Why was NORAD conducting an exact replica drill of the events of that day on that day. The same thing happened on London 7/7.

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[–] stillinit 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago  (edited ago)

9/11 is what 'woke' me. I didn't know or give a shit about anything related to politics or history. I was happy being ignorant playing my playstation. I guess you could say 9/11 changed who I am as a person. Never realized that.

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