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[–] syntaxaxe 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Preventing people from having and sharing a particular viewpoint in an educational institution is not the same as standing against a facsimile of the murder of your nation's elected leader.

I see your point, and I don't think you are 100% wrong. But we are talking about the difference between forcing ideological purity on our children (which is an institutional indoctrination happening large scale across society) and the normalization of violence against elected representatives in a time prone to political violence. It's not the same.

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[–] AlterNut 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

They interrupted a play for a few minutes. They did not shut it down or cause any violence or threaten any violence. I'm not saying I condone interrupting the play. I am saying you need to rethink your use of the terms "exact same way" and rephrase your question into something that is not disingenuous or find an apples to apples example.

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[–] IndigoElectric [S] 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

If you don't condone interrupting a play, then why be passive about it? Why can't we condemn this and isolate ourselves from these people who did the protest?

I bring this up because then we will lose all credibility the next time the left protest us. We have essentially given them the argument the next time someone on the right commits violence. They will bring this shit up and rightly call us hypocrites.

Criticizing their snowflake culture is the one of the most useful tools we have against the left. Why throw that away because some theater fags had an assassination wet dream?

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[–] ElementalPee 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Yeah good luck with that one. I brought it up here when a lot of people on this site were trying to do that about something else, I don't even remember what, and I was like "Wait isn't that what they do that we hate so much? I thought we liked free speech." and I was downvoted a lot. I suppose people don't stop to consider things from that perspective when they feel their cause is righteous. And probably less so when they feel like they're on the losing side.

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[–] user2033 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

It's good that you brought it up, and I hope you keep doing it, despite the backlash. Telling the truth and sticking by your principles will always be the harder path, and it's a good way to be universally disliked, but it is the right thing to do. If the right doesn't maintain strong principles, that apply to everyone universally, it will fall into the same traps that the left did.

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[–] wgtt911 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

The right didn't burn down shit and cause hundreds of thousands of dollars damage like berkly.. There is a difference. ..

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[–] VoatIsForTimmy 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

The left incites violence. The right is protesting the symbolic violence.

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[–] user2033 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

This is what happens. These are the events that are set in motion. Did you expect humans to act rationally while paradigms shift? I don't like it, and I will continue to be against it, but I'm not surprised that it's going this direction. They're starting to get people fired too. It's never about taking the things that are wrong and just stopping them. It's always about taking the things that are wrong, and turning them around on the other side. The pendulum swings back and forth. It doesn't stop in the middle.

With winning comes arrogance, with arrogance comes complacency, with complacency comes a degradation of well-defined arguments and principles. That's where the left is now. They've been winning for so long that they forgot how to make an argument, and now they're starting to lose, and the right are beginning the same cycle. I would hope that the right can keep it together, but I don't think the framework is there. There's too many idiots out there who don't understand why using the same tactics and bad arguments that they've been condemning for years is a fast track to the same defeats the left just experienced. The left ruined themselves with that behavior, so why would anyone in their right mind copy them?

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[–] IndigoElectric [S] 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

100% agree, that was an honest an insightful comment.

I just wish more on the right would follow the same logic.

I really am disappointed in Hannity for this, especially because he just survived a leftist boycott and he is now encouraging that type of behavior.

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[–] user2033 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

All we can do is keep making good arguments, and set a good example for people. Maybe each successive swing of the pendulum, we can pull back just a little bit, so that each swing is less extreme than the last. That might be all we can do, but it's worth doing.

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[–] BlackGrapeDrank 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

public tax money is used to fund that play (the comp of the play producers). that is unacceptable. should all public funds be returned and a private investor pays, then by all means perform what you'd like.

An individual however speaking their mind on a university and that is funding themself with an audience that desires to hear the content =/= publicly funded play.

false equivalence.

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[–] IndigoElectric [S] 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

Universities are publicly funded and they host those speakers.

By your own logic you should be ok when the left shuts down conservatives at a college campuses.

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[–] BlackGrapeDrank 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

some universities are. however the person speaking and the content is not publicly funded. it's a private citizen expressing speech.

a play that is funded by tax payer money with set content is not the same.

as stated before, if the play had no public funds then it'd be equivalent.

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[–] heygeorge 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Neither are ok. Try not to be a fuckwit and maybe we can move ahead with free discussion.

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[–] IndigoElectric [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

You can go suck eggs, and if you think I'm going to move on w/o calling out hypocrisy on free speech you are sadly mistaken

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[–] heygeorge 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Oh, not you personally! I didn't mean to piss you off, although I can see why it did! My comment was too short & poorly worded.

I think both "sides" (although of course they should be allowed to protest) are dumb when they do it.

A march is a form of protest I can understand. But barring the doors or blocking entrance or otherwise ruining an event is shitty. I think the energy would be better off spent doing something positive or forward instead of a negative act, e.g. breaking up a play or protesting Milo.


In essence, 'fuckwits' are the protestors standing in the way of free discussion.

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