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[–] mostlyfriendly 2 points 162 points (+164|-2) ago  (edited ago)

This sucks. But, as an old fart, let me give you some perspective, if I may:

You learned a valuable lesson today. Your employer will never be loyal to you. (Especially at larger companies.) They may "rah rah rah" about "team" and such but that's all BS.

As such, you don't need to be loyal to them. Your only loyalties should be yourself, your family, and your maker.

With this mindset:

  • Don't get caught up in "respect." It's empty and shallow. Do your job, do it well. If you look for or demand respect, you will come across as weak and not deserving of respect. The people who earn respect are the ones who quietly kick ass every day.
  • Work an honest day; work hard, but keep a perspective that you are just a cog and this is just a job.
  • Be nice; don't be political. It isn't worth it.
  • HR isn't your friend.
  • Be friendly but make sure you have close friends outside the job. Do well, be nice and don't worry about what others think.
  • Know that this is a job. They will come/go. You will survive and be stronger for it.
  • ALWAYS better yourself. Never assume that you have "arrived" and you can stop learning and stop improving. The only day you get to stop improving yourself is when you retire.
  • Once a year, make a new resume. Even if the job is going great. Look at this like a milestone. What was improved / what was accomplished?
  • Work towards financial independence. The more you save, the less you are dependent on the system. If you are always paycheck to paycheck then you are a modern day slave. You can't afford to say "no." The power to say "no" is absolutely amazing.

Good luck.

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[–] ElectroGypsy 0 points 26 points (+26|-0) ago  (edited ago)

It's funny you should mention fuck loyalty because it's totally true.

At my current company I started off as what could best be described as a specialized floater. I had the opportunity to watch many overpaid people either lose their job or get a job offer from us doing what they already do for a fraction of their original pay as my company took over their duties. They're all always crushed or angry. Learned quickly that loyalty flows one way in companies.

Later moved up to a more specialized position. My new boss is ridiculously loyal to our client, moreso than to our company. For 7 years they tease him with a promise of hiring him (at least double what we make) and get him to pick up their bitch work and ignore what we're contracted for. Went on so long our company eventually had bring me in to pick up his slack. In the end they got everything they contracted us for plus him as a free labor doing what their full timers do. INCREDIBLY fucking retarded case of scope creep all because of hit loyalty.

He just had a stroke though so I fully expect to lose the contract since it changes their whole equation. I honestly don't care. Even if we get canned I've told everyone I'll apply at a movie theater and be the creepy old guy hitting on the girls that work there.

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[–] bob3333 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

Sometimes it's hard to remember that a job is a business transaction. Unless your employer sometimes gives you bonus money for hours not worked, don't give them bonus hours for pay not received. Don't make friends at work. Be civil and professional, but don't let the relationships get personal. Eventually someone gets butt hurt and it causes problems.

I like to remind my employer that they have to pay us to get us to show up there. Sometimes the obvious gets forgotten.

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[–] daquanikus [S] 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

Thank you, I appreciated that.

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[–] Slavosaurus 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

This is a very good answer. As someone who changed my fair share of jobs I agree in every point. I would also like to add one more point - try to save some money, whatever that amount is. You could find yourself in a situation where you are in-between jobs or are forced to do something you don't want. It is good to have the option to simply walk away.

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[–] maxoverdrive 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

I want to stress a couple of points, from back in the day:

  • no boss, no fellow employ, no business is EVER going to be loyal to you, no matter what the fuck they say - and they WILL say it, a lot, because they WANT you to be loyal to them. But they're always going to look out for number one - which is never, ever going to be you. You only have this one life: so fuck loyalty and ALWAYS, without exception, do what's best for you. Screw the job, screw your boss, screw your fellow employees; your life is what matters to YOU, not theirs.

  • Management is never your friend, even if you yourself are management. Many managers are incompetent and got to their positions by playing politics, not by doing the job well. They're always on the lookout for people who "show them up" and will try to get those people terminated ASAP before they themselves can be exposed as incompetent. Always treat management as your enemy, just don't do so openly. Work to blind-side them whenever possible.

  • as the poster said, HR is NEVER your friend. EVER. HR's sole role is to bend you over and fuck you in the ass for the company. Avoid HR like the fucking bubonic plague. Do this especially if you're conservative, as 99% of all HR employees are useless, fat liberal arts land-whales who fucking HATE conservatives and will make shit up just to get you canned. If they learn you're conservative they'll make it their personal mission in life to destroy you, and will come to work every single day dreaming up ways to make you miserable. Again, avoid HR LIKE THE FUCKING PLAGUE.

  • Remember that no matter how indispensable you actually are, management will always view you as disposable, EVEN IF IT'S NOT TRUE. Most management, as I've said, consists of incompetents who don't understand their own employees or even their own companies; they'll drive a company into the ground with their own stupidity - and then move on to some other company with excellent references. You are nothing more than a disposable, dispensable tool to them, no matter what they say, and that's all you'll ever be. NEVER expect logical, rational thought from them; that isn't how the vast majority got to where they are, and they aren't about to change their tactics simply because you now work at their company.

In summary, the company doesn't give a shit about you. Management doesn't give a shit about you. Your fellow employees don't give a shit about you. HR not only doesn't give a shit about you, they're a bunch of useless, fat women who're looking to shit all over something else to make themselves feel important. Do you job, try to stay off the radar (unless you're bucking for management yourself), and don't ever believe all the bullshit and lies they tell you. If you can, use your job to spring-board to independence as a contractor or business owner yourself, as that's the only way you're ever going to be free of these dumb, self-centered cunts.

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[–] elitch2 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I was waiting for someone to say this. I was an employer for the last decade or so, in the hospitality industry. I was very loyal to my staff, and expected the same in return. The business was small enough that we all had personal relationships with each other, even if they did not extend past the work place.

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[–] Disappointed 0 points 30 points (+30|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I lost my job when I was younger and didn't know why and they wouldn't tell me. My father rang up posing as an employer and asked about me because they were my last employer. Turns out they thought very highly of me but were forced to sack me by another party. Not something I want to go into, but the point is you can can try the same thing to find out yourself.

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[–] gazillions 0 points 22 points (+22|-0) ago 

There's a few things that could be behind badmouthing you, like they wanted your job to go to a pal. They don't want competence a rung or two below them, it makes them nervous. If a cult leader has his fingers in the company, you are way better out of it.

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[–] Gorillion 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

They don't want competence a rung or two below them, it makes them nervous

The neckbeard aspect made me think this. Guys like that usually have system going where most of their job is automated using scripts or whatever. People above don't know because the work is getting done, but competent and curious people coming up behind may want to know how he manages to get his workload completed and still be able to lounge around and web-surf, watch videos, play games all day.

He's coasting through to retirement on this job is my bet. Got a leading edge back when having a little scripting knowledge went a long way, and is protecting his ride from anyone who seems a bit too smart for him to keep fooling as he runs out the clock.

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[–] gazillions 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

There's usually one or two of those in every work place, if they're over you, I think it's best to go. You could end up with a long time span on your resume and a crappy reference, because they're always petty.

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[–] Eleutheria 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

As a "scripts" driven person, I'd like to chip in.

I think any person that can work "smarter, not harder" puts themselves in a better position than the pack mule of the department. Because while it does allow for websurfing (I use an RSS feed for political/historical content and let the videos run minimized while I work), it provides you with in-roads for promotions. There was a guy in my old department that was there 15 years when our manager moved on to another company, and he got sort of "woe is me" when people jokingly said he'd get the nod for the role. His issue is that he's proven he's very competent in his niche role, and he's not willing to push the company for a promotion.

THAT is the kind of cog a company is loyal to; anyone who is willing to put in 110% without ever bettering themselves. Since I optimized the job, which was mostly clerical in nature, I was able to prove my utility in more advanced roles.

Frankly, I don't want to bust my ass for a huge corporation when the average tenure for employees nationally is about 2 years (if I remember correctly). I'd rather incorporate scripts/macros into my job to gain the edge where I am, and prove where I can go.

On the flip side, I work a kitchen job on weekends, and would give an arm and a leg for that small business boss (though that would significantly hamper my cooking ability).

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[–] the_sharpest_knife 2 points 15 points (+17|-2) ago 

100% personal opinion here: Jobs working for others are stupid and unsustainable. Make your own job. If you're not making your own dreams come true then you're helping someone else with theirs.

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[–] jerry 2 points 7 points (+9|-2) ago 

Thats like saying dont feed the machine by paying for gas and suggesting instead to just ride a bike all day to get places. In order to make your own job you have to work for a long time making complex moves to get your business to actually profit. A job for people or a business or a corp is usually sustainable ... theres more to OP's story that we dont know. But fuck it who knows. Im just a little (((SKEPTICAL))) about what i read on the (((INTERNET)))

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[–] daquanikus [S] 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

(((What))) would (((you))) like to (((know)))?

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[–] 9421906? 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Bikes are great and feasible if your commute is short (which it should be, don't waste life driving to work). Don't be so (((big auto))).

But I generally agree. Building up a business can take a long time and a lot of effort. It's worth doing, but don't quit your day job until the business has "made it" and seems solid. Relying on one group for income (like "professional​" YouTubers​ relying on ad money who got shafted recently) doesn't make for long-term stability or viability.

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[–] the_sharpest_knife 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

With good reason.

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[–] 22jam22 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

U win

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[–] autism_speaks 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

worked in a place most the employees got paid cash.. mostly hispanic and asian people... see a hispanic being trained for a job i do... do the math... go ask my boss "if you're training him to take my job, tell me now so i can go find a new one."

boss says "he's not taking your job.."

long story short..

i get fired on a tuesday after work.. less than a week later.

so i called ICE and OSHA. and some tax fraud number.

overheard alot of buying $500 fake i.d's , watched most of them get paid cash envelopes. had conversations with them about guns.. some of them have illegal fire-arms..

fuck em. i called ICE.

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[–] Skyrock 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

How did it end? Did they get busted?

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[–] autism_speaks 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

no idea, did give the ice my name, but never heard back.

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[–] wgtt911 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

It happens. And not just to you...happened to me. More than once. Boss A loves you.. then he/she leaves and boss B hates you. Really sucks but it is life. ...

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[–] HasturTheUnspeakable 1 points 11 points (+12|-1) ago 

It happens. If you're married, that's usually the time they leave you also. No job, no wife, no house, kids turned against you. That's male privilege. It's awesome. Thing is, you bounce back, because it's within your capability to do so. Good luck.

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[–] Dibgick 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

My granma used to say: A pennyless man is not a man.

My father used to say: All of a man's shortcomings become noticeable by his wife as soon as he loses his job and runs out of money.

Both granpa and dad had their own business.

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[–] gramman74 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

Welcome to the real world kid. Its not what you know. Its who you know. Sorry you lost your job. Think of it, as one door shuts another one opens

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[–] Dibgick 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

This. The real value of going to college, specially a big league one is all the people you will meet there and do business with later on.

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