[–] Zinnsee 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Once when I tried to assemble some Ikea furniture there was a bolt that was missing it's thread. All the other bolts were ok, just this one somehow skipped the threading process during manufacturing.

Now that could have changed my believe system of bolts and nuts. Or on the other hand I could just be reasonable and throw the thread-less bolt in the bin, because it's useless.


[–] Salbuchi_2019 [S] 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

What an insensitive transphobic shitlord! That bolt identified himself as a nail!


[–] HomerChimpson 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Here is the current science regarding gender

You can choose to believe some random "science teacher" or the people who actually work in the fields in question.

Executive Summary Lawrence S. Mayer, Paul R. McHugh

This report presents a careful summary and an up-to-date explanation of research — from the biological, psychological, and social sciences — related to sexual orientation and gender identity. It is offered in the hope that such an exposition can contribute to our capacity as physicians, scientists, and citizens to address health issues faced by LGBT populations within our society.

Some key findings:

Part One: Sexual Orientation

● The understanding of sexual orientation as an innate, biologically fixed property of human beings — the idea that people are “born that way” — is not supported by scientific evidence.

● While there is evidence that biological factors such as genes and hormones are associated with sexual behaviors and attractions, there are no compelling causal biological explanations for human sexual orientation. While minor differences in the brain structures and brain activity between homosexual and heterosexual individuals have been identified by researchers, such neurobiological findings do not demonstrate whether these differences are innate or are the result of environmental and psychological factors.

● Longitudinal studies of adolescents suggest that sexual orientation may be quite fluid over the life course for some people, with one study estimating that as many as 80% of male adolescents who report same-sex attractions no longer do so as adults (although the extent to which this figure reflects actual changes in same-sex attractions and not just artifacts of the survey process has been contested by some researchers).

● Compared to heterosexuals, non-heterosexuals are about two to three times as likely to have experienced childhood sexual abuse.

Part Two: Sexuality, Mental Health Outcomes, and Social Stress

● Compared to the general population, non-heterosexual subpopulations are at an elevated risk for a variety of adverse health and mental health outcomes.

● Members of the non-heterosexual population are estimated to have about 1.5 times higher risk of experiencing anxiety disorders than members of the heterosexual population, as well as roughly double the risk of depression, 1.5 times the risk of substance abuse, and nearly 2.5 times the risk of suicide.

● Members of the transgender population are also at higher risk of a variety of mental health problems compared to members of the non-transgender population. Especially alarmingly, the rate of lifetime suicide attempts across all ages of transgender individuals is estimated at 41%, compared to under 5% in the overall U.S. population.

● There is evidence, albeit limited, that social stressors such as discrimination and stigma contribute to the elevated risk of poor mental health outcomes for non-heterosexual and transgender populations. More high-quality longitudinal studies are necessary for the “social stress model” to be a useful tool for understanding public health concerns.

Part Three: Gender Identity

● The hypothesis that gender identity is an innate, fixed property of human beings that is independent of biological sex — that a person might be “a man trapped in a woman’s body” or “a woman trapped in a man’s body” — is not supported by scientific evidence.

● According to a recent estimate, about 0.6% of U.S. adults identify as a gender that does not correspond to their biological sex.

● Studies comparing the brain structures of transgender and non-transgender individuals have demonstrated weak correlations between brain structure and cross-gender identification. These correlations do not provide any evidence for a neurobiological basis for cross-gender identification.

● Compared to the general population, adults who have undergone sex-reassignment surgery continue to have a higher risk of experiencing poor mental health outcomes. One study found that, compared to controls, sex-reassigned individuals were about 5 times more likely to attempt suicide and about 19 times more likely to die by suicide.

● Children are a special case when addressing transgender issues. Only a minority of children who experience cross-gender identification will continue to do so into adolescence or adulthood.

● There is little scientific evidence for the therapeutic value of interventions that delay puberty or modify the secondary sex characteristics of adolescents, although some children may have improved psychological well-being if they are encouraged and supported in their cross-gender identification. There is no evidence that all children who express gender-atypical thoughts or behavior should be encouraged to become transgender.


[–] Salbuchi_2019 [S] 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

This is quite thorough, thank you.

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[–] SelfReferenceParadox 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

A common misunderstanding with leftists. They have no understanding of statistics, so they assume any counterexamples completely destroys your argument, dispite such things happening at vanishingly small rates.


[–] MinorLeakage 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

This is just a load of doublethink. Nothing he says is completely wrong, but nothing is completely true either. He conflates "gender" and "sex", all while claiming to be a "science teacher" (which by itself is pretty funny, since I'm sure that after grade 8 it would be "physics" or "biology", etc, not "science").

In humans, males are XY and females are XX. A chick who grows a dick because of some random deficiency will never be able to reproduce with it. She is not a male, and never will be, much like any tranny. The X chromosome codes for pretty much everything. The Y chromosome makes you a dude. You can have single X females and triple X females. You can have XY males and XYY males. Again, exceedingly rare disorders, but the Y chromosome makes you dude, regardless of how everything expresses.

Long story short, every single thing this guy says is a partial truth at best, but mostly he is just simply wrong. None of the conditions he lists actually makes you a sexually viable male/female, mostly they make you a neuter (eg. sterile with feminine or masculine body). The only thing he is totally correct about is that you could have a woman with only one X chromosome. The second X doesn't do anything other than give variety.


[–] xyzzy 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Mostly genetic anomalies, they happen but are rare.


[–] Salbuchi_2019 [S] 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

The "being deaf is not a disability" kind of bullshit then?


[–] xyzzy 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

More like "Down syndrome is not a disability".


[–] ashekchum 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

While I don't know the validity of some of the examples used, all that I do know, which is most, is true. I mean there is a caveat in that a lot of the later examples can lead to sterility, but do usually appear mostly normal from the exterior.

Really your retort could be that in mammals in nearly all cases the XX, XY system holds true, but in biology there is almost always an exception, as in this case.

But really it's a strong and fairly logically put forth argument which shows, nature's different gender systems and some info on the mechanisms of gender in humans. Really I can't counter it, maybe if you try to go after their don't use science to justify bigotry, but use it to justify the most efficient use of resources.


[–] InyourfaceNancyGrace 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Yea I mean things like Klinefelter's aren't to be celebrated... these aren't the pinnacle of human evolution. No one is "stunning and brave" for having OTD or albinism. Mutations happen, and >99% of the time they ain't for the better. The best you can hope for is innocuous, but in some rare cases it might leave you as a sterile female with an enlarged clitoris and no tits. That doesn't mean you're not female, it just means you drew the short stick in the gene pool, which sucks, but it's not something to be celebrated, and sewing on a dick ain't gonna fix it.

Also there's some scattered bullshit in there. 5-alpha reductase inhibition/deficiency won't cause a female to spontaneously grow a penis (or don't you think inhibitors would be advertised as dick-growers?). "Have two X chromosomes, but your heart and brain are male" is another example... this is pretty typical of these types of arguments. Throw some hard science in there to get the heads nodding, then throw some bullshit agenda-pushing nonsense in there in order to forward your own interests.


[–] ashekchum ago 

Well tbh the 5-alpha was one of the ones I didn't know about, though I know there are other regions on the X that can have some effects, close to that.
The other part I took as a differentiation thing in that androgens or lack there of can have an effect on brain structure development in the womb, in that male and female brains look a little different in structure and many trans people have a brain structure more closely resembling that of their non biological gender. Least I saw a study in that a few years back, don't know how well it's held up since then. The heart part I assumed was more of a metaphor for soul or consciousness crap, maybe a chimeric twin but not likely.
I mean it's defiantly not something to be celebrated and well it would suck, though I really don't know what society should do in those cases. What do you think is the right course of action?
Classic appeal to authority, and the new Nye, right?


[–] xenoPsychologist 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

so youre a flatworm. congratulations, get out of human society.

so maybe HIDEOUS DISORDERS should be treated, properly if possible, instead of fetishized for the Media Masturbation Monster.

also, maybe try to avoid comparing yourself to the most primitive things as though its something to be proud of. if its not complex enough to have a mind, much less a fully conscious one, it has no place in the discussion. its not people.


[–] ObviAThrowaway 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Just want to point out, they're full of shit with the alpha-reductase deficiency claim. Those with this condition are actually genetically male, XY, but have issues with certain hormones at birth, however, they do have testes and often a "micropenis". Once puberty kicks in, they develop secondary sex characteristics and usually do not have a problem with reproduction . So it isn't "born female then suddenly develops a penis". This person is an idiot that didn't fully understand the Wikipedia article they read.

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