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[–] WhiteRonin 4 points 20 points (+24|-4) ago 

Start counter attacking with Obama bombings :-)

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[–] go1dfish 11 points 11 points (+22|-11) ago  (edited ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzIF4XMPyKo&feature=youtu.be&t=47

If the first defense that comes to mind is to cite someone you view as one of the worst presidents in US history and one of the worst evils to ever sweep this nation all in order to justify your new Lord and Savior, it's likely President Trump isn't living up to all your hopes.

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[–] WhiteRonin 2 points 4 points (+6|-2) ago 

Countered there's by this:

https://youtu.be/Fk8DDFE8v3I

Besides I never said Obama did it first. You did.

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[–] Goater 5 points -2 points (+3|-5) ago 

Eh, not living up to all hopes, lesser of two evils, the path not chosen.

A lot can be said philosophically right now, but until the next few weeks events unfold we aren't going to have very many truthful accounts of what's gone down.

Frankly, comparing to Obama I don't believe is comparing to 'one of the worst' per se but instead a comparison to his predecessor. I mean, it's not exactly like people can judge Trump vs Kennedy. Completely different political, cultural and technological environments.

If Trumps civilian bombings were on par with Obama in 6 months, I'd say that the U.S.A and myself included has been conned. Until this plays out, let's reserve judgement.

Unless you think there's something he should have done better go1dfish? Your comments are always insightful.

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[–] shadow332 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

Check out nsaeatshit's account, it's so fucking obvious.

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[–] WhiteRonin 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

They came with a vegenace today ...

Lol ... Time to counter strike :-)

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[–] WhiteRonin 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

26,171 for 7 countries!

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[–] Mayor_Wang 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Nice jew logic.

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[–] WhiteRonin 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

Lol ... No matter what you call it ... Obama did it. So OK it's ((( Jew )))) logic ;-)

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[–] bikergang_accountant 8 points 16 points (+24|-8) ago  (edited ago)

I can be pretty anti-trump at the moment but it is annoying when a bunch of 45-minute accounts start acting like they've been here the entire time.

Trump went against these promises to stay out of Syria within two weeks after he said them. After that he started talking tough. He never was going to have the discipline to keep that promise. Some of us tried to warn you during the primaries. If you stick by Rand you can't go wrong. That's specifically what we tried to tell you.

Oh, it will be fun though. He's such a troll. And lol, if the country falls apart that will be hilarious. I have the past Voat conversations if you want me to dig them up. You all caused this as a practical joke. Yes, when it was him vs Hillary it got serious. But the primaries was all fun and games. It has a cost. 1/3 of our deficit is owed to the Iraq war. You all just cost us 7 trillion dollars. How the fuck is being 7 trillion more in the hole being pro-white especially for a war we have nothing to gain. It doesn't matter if you are here on the libertarian side of the site or the identitarian side of the site. This situation should not makes sense to you. Maybe you should listen more to the practical libertarians here.

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[–] piratse [S] 10 points 12 points (+22|-10) ago 

So you are literally saying that circumstances can't cause someone to change their mind? Cool man.

"My neighbor is a good guy, I have no problem with him."
2 weeks later
"He murdered three little girls yesterday in his house."
"Damn, he should go to jail!"
"HUURRRRRR OMG YOU SAID HE WAS GOOD! WHAT ARE YOU AS FLIP FLOPPER?!?!?!?! HAVE YOU NO DISCIPLINE??@?@?@"

I'm not saying he isn't fucking up. I am not saying he is. I'm saying you can't make that call right now. No one can. Fuck off with your retarded logic.

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[–] juicedidwtc 2 points 11 points (+13|-2) ago 

except the gas attack was a false flag; we know it, trump knows it, everyone knows it!

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[–] bikergang_accountant 2 points 6 points (+8|-2) ago  (edited ago)

That's not what I'm saying at all. He changed his own mind within two weeks. All I'm saying is we predicted this. Way to put words in my mouth though.

If you want to see who has their feet on the ground look at who isn't shocked. After 2008 the austrians weren't shocked at all. In 2017 we aren't shocked at all. Why? We understand the world past cheering contests. We can look at a person and see their policies and not their charisma.

I'm not suggesting he changed in any way at all. That's why this was predictable from the primaries.

Also, are you arguing that he should have bombed Syria? That's pretty retard. If you'e saying he changed his mind to a better conclusion then it has to be a better conclusion.

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[–] BoiseNTheHood 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

If you stick by Rand you can't go wrong.

Oh please. Rand pales in comparison to his father. He's a lot more hawkish on foreign policy.

I'm glad I didn't "stick with Rand" when he told us to vote for Romney in 2012.

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[–] NeoGoat 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I liked Ron.

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[–] bob3333 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

The more practical libertarians aren't supporting Ron or Rand Paul.

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[–] eagleshigh 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I've been here the entire time and called this year's ago. Goy.

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[–] Game_Maven 1 points 8 points (+9|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Whether or not Assad was behind the Sarin gas attack, his response was the best considering what was at stake; geopolitics, his supporters, the possibility of neocon snakes gridlocking Congress against his policies or even Gorsuch, and limiting the narrative of the propaganda corps. He sent a clear message without taking any casualties.

*Edit: apparently four Syrian soldiers killed at base.

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[–] molehairz 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

https://in.news.yahoo.com/us-backed-plan-launch-chemical-weapon-attack-syria-045648224.html

Leaks already show the U.S. had plans to stage a chemical attack to blame on Asad. This is without a doubt a false flag attack being used to bomb Syria.

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[–] PIcasso54 4 points 7 points (+11|-4) ago 

Amen sir! I got downvoted -7 for saying check account ages! STATIONS EVERYONE! Conservative red pills much be summoned!

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[–] armday2day 3 points 6 points (+9|-3) ago 

Or there are legitimate anti-interventionists on the internet

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[–] NotAllAuGlitters 2 points 6 points (+8|-2) ago 

What if I have a new, account, but I hate everyone equally? I worship no man, I love my country. Okay, one man, my husband. Point is I question everything and am entitled to my opinions you are entitled to question them. That is how Voat works, right?

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[–] piratse [S] 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

Yes. But when 20+ topics that are anti Trump immediately after a bombing that attacked a military base are ALL (well 90%) by old users with very very low ccp and new accounts, you have to be VERY skeptical. Sites like share blue are VERY real, and their entire purpose is to correct the record spread bullshit on sites like this.

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[–] Genr8r 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I am not denying share blue / ctr. However, some fraction of Trump support had to driven by the (false?) hope that he might avoid some of the blatant militarism and bloodlust of globalists like Clinton.

People are saying we don't have all the facts. Or if you don't have your Trump pompoms out you must be a CTR shill.

My voat scores are low. I mostly lurk. However, the US taking actions that should require a congressional declaration of war is likely to bring some legit non-interventionists out of the woodwork to make their voices heard.

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[–] NotAllAuGlitters 4 points -1 points (+3|-4) ago 

...I don't know what share blue is. Maybe a third of the posts are disillusioned Trump supporters. The others, yeah I agree are sketchy.

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[–] BobTodd 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Something about Rice you say?

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[–] BobTodd 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I hear she has a uncle named Ben.

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[–] FidgetyImp 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I get that there are a lot of shills around. I get that there is a lot of anti messaging going around and maybe even some effort to derail voat. I get all of that, but when people strongly disagree with the direction just taken. When people strongly disagree with an attack on Syria that is a complete 180 degree course change from campaign rhetoric (honestly, no surprise there... but still...). When a LOT of people got energized and voted for this guy because of his promises i am hardly surprised when a lot of them say "Fuck this guy" after a move like this, after bombing a country based upon flimsy evidence, when everyone who has been sooooo wrong in the past is pushing you to do it.

Sure some shills are going to jump on board and stoke the flames but to start pointing the shill stick at folks every time someone voices dissent in this site is daft. A LOT of people are very concerned and feel betrayed right now. We were promised a course change in this country, we were promised a move away from the evil and corrupt policies and directions of the Democrat party...Aaaand we just started down a course that the Democrats (whose every choice and idea is wrong and rooted in corruption and shit) are all for and fully support. Trump just did something that people who are lusting for WW3 think is a great idea. You don't need to be a shill to be worried about what is coming next.

I for one am heartened that people are calling the administration on this shit. It shows some moral and intellectual certainty. It shows none of the hypocrisy of the left who whine for peace but pat the back of a president who spent both of his terms bombing the shit out of the 3rd world and strengthening organizations like ISIS.

If you feel this WAS a just result to something that DID happen, fine. Make your case and there we go. Standing around pointing at CCP totals and account age is fucking bullshit and frankly all of this "Shill!!!!!" stuff is horsecrap. We end up spending more time trying to figure out who is a shill than we do understanding each others position. Seriously, you almost need to bend your brain into a pretzel shape with this shill crap.... Are the people saying fuck trump shills? OR are the people calling them shills actually shills? Are the shills shills? or are the shills actually shills who are shilling other shills???? Could we have shills shilling shills who are shilling shills back?

.... Eagerly awaiting my "Fuck you, shill" replies!!!!!

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