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Not on purpose, but your right. The destinction I make is that most Americans who are 'poor' are actually not poor in relation to historical/global perspective. They are only poor in comparison to current 'middle class'.
Alot of 'poor' people have inflated expectations (partly to do with special snowflake syndrome and cultural influences) of economic success and don't focus on just taking care of the necessities. Someone who is in poverty but has a smart phone, gaming consoles, runs ac/heat all day, etc, etc is not actually in poverty, but just has terrible money management.
The other group are the drug addicts who are also self-evidently terrible at money management.
When you remove these two groups, very little people in U.S. are in poverty, and even then it's usually only temporarily. Additionally, there are a ton of welfare programs, such as food stamps. And ways to get cheap goods through Walmart, good will, dollar general, etc - because of capitalism.
Most poor people are not poor in historical/global perspective and are bad with money, or have substance abuse issues.
The point being that it's not the fault of the society, but a deeper personal problem that needs to be worked out.
You may be in the very small category of people who aren't in that group. Use food stamps and cheap food at Walmart (eggs, Oatmeal, canned food, etc) and all that. I get pride, but those programs are meant for you. Just always remember that it's temporary and you'll pay it back later in your taxes.
Most Americans who are 'poor' are actually not poor in relation to historical/global perspective
This is incorrect. You're comparing things that, in modern society, are necessary to function with the same things if they were owned by someone in years past. A car is needed to move about in a modern city. Walking doesn't cut it and public transportation usually doesn't cut it. A car was a luxury back when most people lived within a mile or two of available work. A computer is needed in the modern world to interact with society in any reasonable way. It's needed to apply for work, to get help from friends, to stay in touch with family, and to interact with the government. And again "you can use a computer at a lot of libraries" just doesn't cut it. The same goes for a cell phone.
You draw an artificial and arbitrary line between "poor" and "impoverished" In fact poor people in modern society suffer the same way poor people have always suffered. Whether you blame them or society doesn't change this.
You are performing mental gymnastics to blame poor people for being poor and to avoid admitting they suffer hunger or malnutrition, difficulty finding homes, cold in the winter, and other basic needs of life. A poor person in modern society is better off, but the difference is marginal and due entirely to social programs your type wants to eliminate.
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[–] AmaleksHairyAss 1 point -1 points 0 points (+0|-1) ago
You're avoiding my point about the nature of poverty.
[–] AnarchyChad ago
Not on purpose, but your right. The destinction I make is that most Americans who are 'poor' are actually not poor in relation to historical/global perspective. They are only poor in comparison to current 'middle class'.
Alot of 'poor' people have inflated expectations (partly to do with special snowflake syndrome and cultural influences) of economic success and don't focus on just taking care of the necessities. Someone who is in poverty but has a smart phone, gaming consoles, runs ac/heat all day, etc, etc is not actually in poverty, but just has terrible money management.
The other group are the drug addicts who are also self-evidently terrible at money management.
When you remove these two groups, very little people in U.S. are in poverty, and even then it's usually only temporarily. Additionally, there are a ton of welfare programs, such as food stamps. And ways to get cheap goods through Walmart, good will, dollar general, etc - because of capitalism.
Most poor people are not poor in historical/global perspective and are bad with money, or have substance abuse issues.
The point being that it's not the fault of the society, but a deeper personal problem that needs to be worked out.
You may be in the very small category of people who aren't in that group. Use food stamps and cheap food at Walmart (eggs, Oatmeal, canned food, etc) and all that. I get pride, but those programs are meant for you. Just always remember that it's temporary and you'll pay it back later in your taxes.
[–] AmaleksHairyAss ago
This is incorrect. You're comparing things that, in modern society, are necessary to function with the same things if they were owned by someone in years past. A car is needed to move about in a modern city. Walking doesn't cut it and public transportation usually doesn't cut it. A car was a luxury back when most people lived within a mile or two of available work. A computer is needed in the modern world to interact with society in any reasonable way. It's needed to apply for work, to get help from friends, to stay in touch with family, and to interact with the government. And again "you can use a computer at a lot of libraries" just doesn't cut it. The same goes for a cell phone.
You draw an artificial and arbitrary line between "poor" and "impoverished" In fact poor people in modern society suffer the same way poor people have always suffered. Whether you blame them or society doesn't change this.
You are performing mental gymnastics to blame poor people for being poor and to avoid admitting they suffer hunger or malnutrition, difficulty finding homes, cold in the winter, and other basic needs of life. A poor person in modern society is better off, but the difference is marginal and due entirely to social programs your type wants to eliminate.