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[–] heretolearn 0 points 22 points (+22|-0) ago 

Obama repealed the Mundt act...essentially making it legal for the govt to spread propaganda. look it up.

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[–] MkeAmericaGreatAgain [S] 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

Im aware. All the more reason to not stray away from using the proper term

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[–] heretolearn 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

we need to make others aware

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[–] BGAIN 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

We could call it 'fraudulent propoganda', as propoganda is used to sway opinion, though much of the propoganda is fraudulently collusive!

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[–] elitch2 1 points 21 points (+22|-1) ago 

Yes! Can we also stop calling every scandal a "gate"? And "meme" does not mean a picture with words! "Should of" is not English! It's a sign of how stupid and lazy people have become. It's " should have" or "should've"; a contraction, mutherfuckers!

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[–] Thisismyvoatusername 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

I actually think -gate is a useful suffix for political scandals. I thought it was funny, but clever, when they started using Irangate and Contragate during the whole Iran-Contra Affair. I especially find it interesting that you see it used now by people who most likely have absolutely no actual knowledge of Watergate, including to what the name even refers. The -gate has become complete divorced from the building from which it comes. I wonder what percentage of people under 35 even know that scandal concerned Nixon?

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[–] elitch2 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

That's the part that bothers me. People using words they don't understand. It's a scandal, just use the word scandal. This usage of gate is retarded.

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[–] elitch2 1 points 9 points (+10|-1) ago 

Basically this. Orwell understood very well that language is how we structure thought. People these days seem to have a very limited vocabulary, I often need to explain words I am using in casual conversation. Call it what it is. An international governmental paedophile sex trafficking ring. Like the one that was uncovered involving unicef back in 1988. The "gate" thing really pisses me off.

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[–] lopan 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

aladeen!

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[–] sinjinsmythe 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Yes, we should just call it: "A bunch of rich asshole child molester pedophiles who we are now going to prosecute and hang from a tree in the town square." I am ok with repeating this sentence.

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[–] ShinyVoater 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Englishgate?

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[–] zoupSER 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

You spelled mother incorrectly, you fucker.

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[–] elitch2 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

True. I was trying to be hip.

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[–] RuckFeddit45 1 points 20 points (+21|-1) ago 

Lügenpresse

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[–] deerhoof_fan 0 points 23 points (+23|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Silly Voat, ever since the 1920's we've called propaganda "Public Relations."

(But seriously in the 20s there was a guy named Edward Bernays who was a nephew of Sigmund Freud. Freud sent Bernays his texts on the ego, superego and id, which essentially concluded that man was not a rational creature, as was the popular belief at the time, but an irrational animal ruled by primal desires. Bernays was the first person to apply this sort of thought to groups of people, and he became the king of marketing for his pioneering techniques of crowd control. Similarly, he admired Nazi propaganda, having seen Germany's astonishing recovery of national prosperity and pride after WWI, and he wondered if Nazi propaganda techniques could be used in peacetime. It turns out they could! But he couldn't call it propaganda.... He would have to come up with a new name. So he coined the term "public relations," and now every corporation and government in the world has a public relations department. Just let that sink in for a second. Anyone who's interested in this line of thought and has a few hours should watch the excellent documentary called "Century of the Self," produced by the BBC's Adam Curtis. You will never look at the world the same way. It's utterly eye-opening.)

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[–] MadWorld 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

It's been a long time since I ran into someone citing "Century of the Self". I think more people should be made aware of it. Very interesting documentary!

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[–] MkeAmericaGreatAgain [S] 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

And why couldnt he call it propaganda?

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[–] MkeAmericaGreatAgain [S] 1 points 7 points (+8|-1) ago 

TIL

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[–] SelfReferenceParadox 1 points 7 points (+8|-1) ago 

banned for shilling

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[–] Troll 2 points 11 points (+13|-2) ago 

Dude, propaganda is being made and designed by people who are actually smart. Stupid dipshits at CNN are just fake news.

It's illegal for you to read Podesta's emails, so we'll do it for you derp. Also, more lazy bullshit at 6. - CNN

On the other hand, you can actually use truthful information as the means of influencing people as propaganda. I don't remember ever hearing anything remotely truthful on CNN in the past 6 million years.

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[–] RectalLeakage 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

Propaganda doesn't have to be well conceived or convincing.

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[–] MkeAmericaGreatAgain [S] 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

It was pretty true when they reported Trump won the election.

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[–] Troll 1 points 7 points (+8|-1) ago 

What they did was not reporting, but conceding.

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[–] frankenmine 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

There is a certain aikido like elegance in taking the MSM's attack strategy on PizzaGate and using it to destroy the few shreds of reputation and influence they still have.

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[–] webrustler 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

They thought the term 'conspiracy (theory)' was a little old fashioned. So they had this new meme created. It turned out that 'Fake News' didn't fly with a people that was networked globally.

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[–] Aged 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

So let's just call it lies then.

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[–] MkeAmericaGreatAgain [S] 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

That is a better description of what it is. Fake news is the onion or shit like that. Fake news is something that could be a mistake. When the truth is not the purpose of the news it is propaganda or just straight lies

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[–] Thisismyvoatusername 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago  (edited ago)

But calling something a lie requires proof of intent. Calling something fake simply requires proving it false. I think it is more important to convince a large number of peop,e that the media is wholly untrustworthy than convince a smaller amount of people they are intentionally untruthful. That can come later and in smaller, more targeted doses.

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[–] 4-20 3 points 4 points (+7|-3) ago 

Propaganda at its finest here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sbjHOBJzhb0

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[–] zo34 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

STOP POKING ME

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