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[–] ElementalPee 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Well, the difference from the typical sjw controlled space is you are still free to make your case and you most likely won't be banned or blocked for it unless you are dealing with a particularly petty person.

For what it's worth, I'm a liberal, but I'm also 100% against Hillary Clinton and the DNC. I agree with you that the evidence supporting that conspiracy is pretty weak or non-existent. I think people on both sides are guilty of discourse gaming, like trying to do an end run around the discussion instead of keeping it simple and letting the core political ideas fight it out.

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[–] iamjanesleftnipple [S] 1 point 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

Well, the difference from the typical sjw controlled space is you are still free to make your case and you most likely won't be banned or blocked for it unless you are dealing with a particularly petty person.

I was more going for the idea that the typical SJWs will try to out-whatever each other... prove they're more sensitive, more-non-appropriating, etc from their peers and, god forbid you stick up for something even slightly not SJW, then they go after you full force.

In this case, Alpha tried to bring actual facts and logic and he's getting the downvoat hammer that is so often employed against anyone that doesn't go full in for the "God emperor Trump/Hillary is Satan" narrative.

That being said, I too am a classic liberal, but I want Hillary behind bars at the least, but there is plenty of stuff to use against her instead of making stuff up.

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[–] ElementalPee 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Ah, ok. Yeah I misunderstood your point. There've been a couple times where I was downvoted for similar reasons and usually I just shrug it off and don't sweat it because I can take the hit. If I figure there's room to make my case a bit better I might reply and get downvoted again but I'm not that worried about my modest collection of internet points. At least, so long as I'm not the target of a witchhunt where I essentially get nuked into oblivion and can't vote and post like a normal person.

I know I shouldn't speak in generalities and blah blah but it seems like it is a thing with the left where they don't like to be around people with conflicting ideas. That's why they're so obsessed with safe spaces. Then here on voat a lot of times people will just get discouraged from a downvote and the plethora of pro-Trump and racist posts and I kind of get how the sheer volume of that stuff makes it seem kind of daunting. And even I just kind kind of filter it out anymore but in the back of my head I feel like if people aren't actively engaging those people in debate and calling them out, taking the downvotes, it's just going to get worse here and more one-sided.