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[–] bob3333 29 points -27 points (+2|-29) ago 

Weaver and his family were cuckoo sovereign citizen people like the Oregon nuts this year. Weaver failed to show up in court to answer charges of selling illegal firearms and when federal agents went to his house to arrest him he threatened to shoot them. Okay stupid games, win stupid prizes.

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[–] tcp 0 points 25 points (+25|-0) ago 

Whatever you may think of this case, it is really easy to paint anyone who tries to take a stand against a seemingly tyrannical government as cuckoo. The government's overreach is insane. Civil asset forfeiture is unconstitutional. Jurisdictional limits are ignored. For example, they threw the rule book out and found a way to completely screw over Kim Dotcom for what? Hosting a file sharing site? Why couldn't they follow the rule of law when getting this guy? Why is there no rule of law?

I don't know that there is a case where a completely innocent person was forced to face off against the federal government when they just wanted to be left alone, but I somewhat sympathize with people that feel they have no legal recourse when trying to protect their way of life.

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[–] xeemee 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

Whatever you may think of this case, it is really easy to paint anyone who tries to take a stand against a seemingly tyrannical government as cuckoo.

i agree with everything else you said, but just for clarification, Randy and Viki had no intention of taking a stand - they only wanted to be left alone - it was the government raid that forced them into a defensive position which was not their choice

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[–] bob3333 6 points -4 points (+2|-6) ago 

Whatever you may think of this case, it is really easy to paint anyone who tries to take a stand against a seemingly tyrannical government as cuckoo.

Threatening to murder law enforcement for enforcing the law is equally cuckoo whether you're BLM or Randy Weaver or Lavoy Finicum. Threatening murder is not protesting, it's threatening murder.

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[–] KoKansei 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

So... basically they didn't directly harm anyone and were harassed by an overbearing government.

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[–] bob3333 8 points -7 points (+1|-8) ago 

They executed a federal marshal earlier that day. If that's your definition of didn't directly harm anyone, then I suppose so.

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[–] NeedMoarGuitars 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

I remember this well. His wife was shot and killed while holding an infant as she briefly stood in the doorway to the house.

Understood, the Weavers didn't believe in government. The heavy-handed federal response only gave the sovereign citizen types "proof" the government was targeting them.

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[–] bob3333 6 points -6 points (+0|-6) ago  (edited ago)

His wife was shot and killed while holding an infant as she briefly stood in the doorway to the house.

You meant his wife was shot while standing behind the door holding it open for Weaver, who was seeking cover from government snipers. The sniper didn't even know she was there. Let's not forget that the Weavers had already killed a law enforcement officer earlier in the day. You guys are like "he dindu nuffin."

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[–] xeemee 1 points 7 points (+8|-1) ago  (edited ago)

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[–] bob3333 5 points -5 points (+0|-5) ago  (edited ago)

If you bothered to research my opinion on government before shooting off your mouth you'd have found out I'm an outspoken libertarian, but then again if you researched issues you wouldn't be part of the American Patriot Friends Network or similar organizations.