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[–] goatsandbros 1 points 25 points (+26|-1) ago 

I can feel the love from this one :)

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[–] Slayfire122 1 points 18 points (+19|-1) ago 

You sure can fuck face. You sure can.

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[–] ratsmack 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago  (edited ago)

What is it that makes you a lefty... just because you vote Democrat?

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[–] AverageAmerica 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

I don't usually up voat comments that use the word faggot, but this time I make an exception.

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[–] fakefuck39 2 points -2 points (+0|-2) ago 

oh man. you people and your magical internet points. why do you idiots click on these up and down arrows? do you also climb up on a ladder and tap the left turn signal on the feu rouge? then have discussions about auto-moderators? there is no "moderation" - it is not a thing that exists.there is a random number that gets displayed near the comment, which unlike in slashdot I can't turn off. and you guys spend time and effort trying to change that number for some reason. i don't fucking get it.

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[–] AmaleksHairyAss 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

Very reasonable, formerly conservative, and old lefty here. You are mistaken.

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[–] Mediocrity 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

FPBP

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[–] Rabidfish88 0 points 45 points (+45|-0) ago 

If you're a lefty and are making it here on Voat, it means you are an old school lefty, not one of the new regressive white and man hating SJW types who are infesting the Internet and the democratic party

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[–] InnocentBystander [S] 0 points 30 points (+30|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Ya, I am a classic liberal. Which does make a difference, but I think there is more to it than just that. I have seen at least one progressive do fine here.

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[–] Servohahn 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Most classic liberals are progressive. The new left wing ideologies we're seeing emerge are unarguably regressive. I mean when you have people sitting there saying a hashtag like #killallwhitepeople isn't racist, you know they're extremely deep into racist territory. I don't like identity labels. What we need more of is ideology labels. Regressive left is not the same as progressive left. Regressive left is definitely illiberal, whereas the progressive left is at least compatible with liberalism.

Some left wing ideologies like promoting social welfare can be considered liberal, whereas far-left ideas such as undercutting meritocracy to promote equality of outcome are mostly illiberal. I think that's the big difference between equality of opportunity versus equality of outcome. One removes barriers to success and another adds them. In a post-scarcity society, equality of outcome can be ensured without holding others back, but that's just a fantasy at this point.

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[–] FreeTheWorldFromFat 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

Nice to see other liberals. Although I regard myself as more right wing than left.

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[–] dingomeat 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

There's a lot of national socialists in here, which have a lot in common with classical liberals.

National socialists aren't right wing, they value strong national borders combined strong social programs. So more often than not, you probably have ebil nadzees agreeing with you.

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[–] Aria 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Would Trump be considered a classic liberal?

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[–] InnocentBystander [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Not really. He has some liberalish ideas. But he supports a surveillance state, and limiting freedoms for things like the patriot act.
All in all I consider Trump to be a moderate that has both left and right ideas.

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[–] RectalLeakage 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

He's a conservative in some classical ways, and liberal in others... His love for free market capitalism, for instance, and on the other side, his support of the tranny bathroom thing.

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[–] individualin1984 1 points 24 points (+25|-1) ago 

The thing is that you engage far more than you troll. I don't mind giving the opposition a voice. I would rather do that to better refine my opinion, and to help with confirmation of how strong my convictions survive a challenge.

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[–] piratse 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

I agree with this. Liberals that default to racism, islamaphobic, or whatever term is cool get ignored and DV, but present a reasonable argument and I'll engage, even change my mind if you can present facts that trump mine.

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[–] Servohahn 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Liberals that default to racism, islamaphobic, or whatever term is cool get ignored and DV

We're not letting those people own that word anymore. You can't call yourself a liberal and then spout a bunch of illiberal nonsense. Regressive left, alt-left, neoleft maybe. They don't get to call themselves liberal or progressive though. Those words means things already.

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[–] sinjinsmythe 3 points 9 points (+12|-3) ago 

Hitler did 9/11, and he is still living in Argentina. He shares a flat with Elvis and Jimmy Hoffa.

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[–] neveragainfatty 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

Fuck you. Now we have to move again.

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[–] SaneGoatiSwear 3 points 0 points (+3|-3) ago 

the SUC is real.

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[–] heygeorge 2 points -1 points (+1|-2) ago 

Jesus did 9/12

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[–] InnocentBystander [S] 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

I think this is probably the best explanation I have heard. Though many of the others have a role as well.

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[–] piratse 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I'm at close to 3k here in a year, but had 20k on Reddit in 2 years lol. Not sure of the difference. I would have assumed I'd have way more on here.

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[–] InnocentBystander [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

That kind of ratio is about what I would have expected due to the size difference.
But it has not worked out that way with me.

I am curious, did you participate in any circlejerk sub's there but not here? We're you more active or vocal there?

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[–] james780 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

hes a lib burn him !! quick

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[–] WallingFortian 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I got mine with an Obi-Wan and consistent posting to /r/explainlikeimcalvin.

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[–] goatsandbros 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago  (edited ago)

You're probably not an asshole. This will get you mad cred from libertarians and conservatives, and shit from regressives.

Personally, I'm happy to have lefties and everyone else here, as long as they're not assholes. If someone opposes an idea I have, they'll force me to examine it more closely, and, if I was wrong, figure that out. I'm really grateful for that.

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[–] InnocentBystander [S] 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago  (edited ago)

You're probably not an asshole

Uhh.. well.. sometimes that is true.

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[–] goatsandbros 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Lol that's all anyone can ask :)

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