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[–] Proppa 6 points 6 points (+12|-6) ago  (edited ago)

Freedom of religion means freedom from religion

Freedom of speech means freedom from speech

Sorry I'm just tired of this dumb interpretation. What our forefathers had in mind was preventing religious persecution that they themselves faced overseas, I don't think they had any problems with imposing their religious ideologies on non-religious people. You see it to this very day

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[–] SecularPenguinist 4 points 3 points (+7|-4) ago 

Your play on words doesn't compute. Switching them around changes the meaning.
Indeed freedom from religion is the correct interpretation. Why do you think we seceded from England in the first place?
Benjamin Franklin, George Washington, and John Adams were quite secular.

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[–] Joe_McCarthy 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Eh, Washington favored retaining Anglicanism as the state religion of Virginia. Ditto for Adams and Congregationalism in Massachusetts.

That sounds like the Taliban. Even today's religious right in the US wouldn't go so far.

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[–] Kal [S] 4 points 3 points (+7|-4) ago  (edited ago)

I'm not sure what you mean, but if you read about Freedom of Religion in the first amendment also being Freedom from Religion you'll see that I am not just pulling that out of thin air.

There have been enough books on this subject to fill libraries. Perhaps you should get busy reading?

The Founding Fathers had a radically different conception of religious freedom. Influenced by the Enlightenment, they had great confidence in the individual's ability to understand the world and its most fundamental laws through the exercise of his or her reason. To them, true religion was not something handed down by a church or contained in the Bible but rather was to be found through free rational inquiry. Drawing on radical Whig ideology, a body of thought whose principal concern was expanded liberties, the framers sought to secure their idea of religious freedom by barring any alliance between church and state.

http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/i7500.html

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[–] 9-11 8 points -5 points (+3|-8) ago 

yeah, it appears the degenerate leftists over at v/atheism are leaking again...

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[–] Kal [S] 3 points 3 points (+6|-3) ago 

Wow... for people that talk about the first amendment so often, I'm surprised how little understanding you guys have of it. Seriously, get off voat and go pick up a book.