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[–] Sciency 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

There's plenty of us around here that hate both parties with the same fervor. Its just that this time around the democratic party made a particularly poor choice. The way I see it, hillary guarantees the same slow decline and erosion of rights we've seen for years, and trump is either going to fix the country or burn it down in the process. I'm not a fan of either of these options.

I highly encourage everyone out there to vote independent if they don't like their two main options. If it becomes a somewhat normal to see 15-20% of votes going to non-2 party candidates, it might help end the bandwagon effect and the dumb "throwing your vote away" argument that keeps our country in the hands of the political and financial elites.

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[–] ForgotMyName 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I am also on this train. I'm not pro-Donald either but I am anti-morons-who-mindlessly-make-claims-with-no-evidence. Which I believe sums up about 95% of his opposition. A.k.a. the "He a racist! He a sexist!" people.

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[–] Throwingtothewolves [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

This is where I am with the whole thing about Trump. Lies are lies.

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[–] whisky_cat 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

While I fully intend to write in Bernie or Gary Johnson, be aware our 2-party system unfolded for a reason. I strongly recommend this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo. Basically even if the election was actually conducted in a fair manner, the process is still flawed and encourages consolidating your vote against your enemies, instead of encouraging you to vote for who you really want.

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[–] Sciency 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I really dig CGP, his videos are always top tier.

My problem with your example's argument, is that its still an extension of the "throwing your vote away" dialectic. With that logic in play we are already guaranteed one of of two people, so why not work towards legitimizing the idea of a 3rd party candidate, since our votes don't actually have any change anything in the context of the 2 choices? Perhaps this election is different with trump/hillary, but I am a pretty firm believer in the idea that dem/rep presidential opponents will take the exact same course, regardless of their minor disagreements on whichever 4-5 topics are buzzing in the media this time around.

I think this is all a great argument for a blind voting system. Hold it all on the same day, and list candidates by their policies without names attached. At the very lest, this would force people to learn the policies of their candidate in order for counter-voting to be done. Of course, its more likely that we'll see ron paul get elected in 2020, than it is that we will ever see a system like that actually used.