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[–] TheManifest01 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago  (edited ago)

There are ancient and modern examples: The Spartans of ancient Greece had a kind of "accidental" feminism, due to all males being conscripted for war...The results? The birth rates for true-born Spartans declined to such a degree that they could hardly field an army and when magistrates took over the region after Sparta was conquered, they basically had to bar women from any kind of business/politically related activity because they kept trying to thwart the rule of law. As for a modern example, the Musuo of China is another...They have existed for hundreds of years and produced nothing, relying on foreign goods to advance even the slightest. Matriarchal society which has historically low birth rates (present population is only around 40,000).

In both cases, there is always a gigantic slave underclass (helots for the Spartans, and for the Mosuo, the peasants in contrast to feudal nobles). In all cases, the women sleep with whomever they want and the children are basically reared by some societal construct (never a complete family unit) with a clear separation between boys and girls.

The more historical research I do, the more I come to the conclusion that matriarchal societies are very violent and brutal (since you need a high population of slaves to sustain one, as men lose their productive drive when paternity becomes uncertain). You end up with a society that tries to divy up the work "fairly" but inevitably it runs on female paradigms; The men must be the epitome of manliness and those who don't measure up are just cattle to be used and discarded. Along with this, maintaining the "feminine mystique" is an implicit code of conduct; which really means women hide their true and natural behavior, so that men end up idolizing or fetishizing them (it's the only way to keep such an unequal society going).

This results in a very unequal society every time. Unlike rats however, we are not so brutal as to devour our young and turn on each other so violently. Inevitably such societies are absorbed by non matriarchal societies; The Spartans were eventually defeated by the Thebans, Macedonians, and eventually came under Roman rule. The Musuo are slowly dying out because their young men and women are leaving the villages in favor of a modern (and note, traditional) lifestyle.

Matriarchal societies just don't work in the long run, which is why in the SCUM manifesto, the ideal feminist society required robotic servants. You can't have a massive underclass of peasants that devote all their labor to your amusement and happiness, while expecting to have the best pick of the genes and keep the paternity of your children a secret...Or not so secret in some cases; for instance, King Agis III of Sparta was cuckolded in front of the entire Spartan assembly by his wife and queen, implying that the child she was pregnant with wasn't his. If that isn't an indicator of the lack of respect and disdain matriarchal societies have for men, I don't know what is. Is it any wonder that Mosuo men flee their homeland or that Spartans were terrified of their men being away from home for too long, despite having full garrisons at home most of the time? It doesn't matter if you're one of the lucky ones that gets all the adulation, privilege, and sex he can ask for, you're still stuck in a bullshit matriarchal society and it becomes obvious how shitty they are the moment you step outside of one.

A feminist society doesn't erupt into chaos...It's either conquered because its weak or slowly dies a cultural/technological death.

And feminists know this, hell, it's practically their mission statement.

When a newspaper interviewer asked her how she would like to be remembered, she [Anita Dworkin] said, "In a museum, when male supremacy is dead. I'd like my work to be an anthropological artifact from an extinct, primitive society".

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[–] Fibbideh 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

/v/historyanecdotes crossed with /v/redpill

I like it