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[–] SpaceRosa 1 points 7 points (+8|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Archived. I suggest people use this link, or you might be sending people off to downvote, considering the content and general attitudes of users. And please don't go and downvote anything, that's terrible.

I tried discussing this with the mod, but it didn't go well. Supposedly it was off-topic, but that's not against the rules, actually. And the rules there are, on a related note, are very vague and open to interpretation.

I should point out I don't see anything inherently wrong with safe spaces. But there's a difference between a safe space and an echo chamber that often seem to be forgotten.

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[–] SpaceRosa 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

You're missing the point. Subverses have rules. Rules tell users how to act and moderators how to mod. This is clearly a mod doing whatever they feel like. This isn't a shit fit, this is pointing out the blatant abuse. Don't you know where you are? I think most people on this website are opposed to moderators who just delete whatever they like.

Disregarding feelings, it;s very counter-productive to the growth of a subverse. How can anyone know what to post if there's a real chance it's going to be deleted on a whim?

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[–] rainyday 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

All I asked was what happened, I'm suspicious of deleted comments. Didn't expect what followed.

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[–] SpaceRosa 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

Oh, that was you? I couldn't tell because they were all deleted. Obviously.

I've asked the mod what to them a safe space is..it should be interesting. To me, a safe space is a place that you can talk about (topic) without fear of persecution for it. By that definition, my /v/crossdressing is, I'd like to think, a safe space. But by the commonly used definition, it wouldn't be, because people can say most of what they want there. It's interesting to see how these things turn out.

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[–] fleas 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Guys. They aren't hurting anyone in their safe space. If they want to be arbritary in their sub thats their choice. Its looks to be radical intersectionalist leftists. They have their own social mores that those in their,ingroup will be aware of without asking for clarification. Leave them to their echo chamber and talk to the reasonable anarchists

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[–] SpaceRosa 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

Perhaps not, but on a website that advertises free speech, moderators who delete things as they please that don't break any rules are very out of place. More importantly, it makes it difficult for the subverse to grow. I was going to post there until I saw that happening. Didn't know if there was any point if a post that criticised the safe space was going to be deleted. (My post was going to be discussing the methods of social revolution, and benefits/problems with it. Basically challenging the ideas laid out in the sidebar. I thought it could be quite a good discussion, but why bother if it's going to be deleted anyway?)

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[–] fleas 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

but why bother if it's going to be deleted anyway?

Pretty much. Think of it as their little meeting room on voat. Its not set to private so the door is open but if they feel like you're causing a disruption they'll ask you to leave. I have no problem with that. I asked a question at /v/feminism that got a good mostly respectful conversation going. A mod thought it didn't belong and deleted it. I mentioned maybe their rules should be more explicit. Unsubbed, made a post it somewhere else, and until now never looked back.

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[–] penguincheerleader 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I would worry that if we chase them away from Voat then Voat will become a monocultural echo chamber just as reddit has. If we can't welcome people of various views then voat won't have interesting conversations and voat won't ever be a competition to reddit. We should want them here.

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[–] fleas 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I for one welcome more speech. When the sub popped up I read what was posted and decided it wwasn'tthe right sub for me. I hope in time they will come out to the wider voat community and interact.

There are plenty here I don't agree with. They still say things occasionally that get upvoats from me because they make me think. This sounds weird coming from me being a self avowed dick: assume best intentions, respect each other as real people behind the screens, counter ideas with ideas, and don't shit in someone else's sub unless they welcome it.

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[–] fleas 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Thanks. I don't always agree with davydagger but I respect what he has to say.

Being an individualist market ancharist makes me a different animal entirely. Its like standing at the intersection of 3 roads.

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[–] penguincheerleader 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

Honestly the group not wanting their first post to be heavily ranted against is not much different then Atko keeping GOT from writing nasty things in introductions. If the radical queers group creates a downvoating brigade system I would worry but it seems legitimately in the spirit of voat to be able to talk amongst themselves without threat. It really is the way to maintain free speech.

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[–] SpaceRosa 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I don't know. I think that it reflects much more poorly on a subverse to delete things than to at least try and answer questions, or failing that, downvote and ignore. It's in the spirit of Voat that they can talk amongst themselves that way, but it's also in the spirit of Voat that people should be able to question it without getting their comments deleted.

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[–] penguincheerleader 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Were you comparing him to SRS for describing himself as a radicalqueer and making a group for it as suggested in the archive at the top of this page? Because if so you were being purposely antagonistic and you are creating just the kind of downvoat brigade that SRS was.

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[–] SpaceRosa 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Here's an update. They've just deleted half the comments.

That's an impressive bit of stupidity in a website strongly opposed to censorship.

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[–] rainyday 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Only my comments remain.

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[–] SpaceRosa 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

Yeah. Good thing I archived it.

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[–] 245387? 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

That place has two subscribers, black mark and ignore them and they'll go away.

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[–] nikopol 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago  (edited ago)

because that worked just fine in that other site