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[–] go1dfish 16 points 45 points (+61|-16) ago  (edited ago)

I strongly oppose this feature particularly for @system subs.

Freedom of speech should be the default.

If people want more heavily curated spaces they are welcome to create one.

I have no desire to vote to restrict what others are allowed to say and may well abstain from these votes on general principle.

Please reconsider the scope of this feature.

/v/VoatAgainstDemocracy

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[–] PuttItOut [S] 0 points 34 points (+34|-0) ago  (edited ago)

We won't be rolling out this feature (Edit: The Vote feature which is actively in development) without proper vetting. First we need to develop the feature and this feature is a big one, so we have a lot of testing yet to do.

Once we know it works and feel it's bugs are worked out we will decide how, where, and what to roll out.

I fully know that a feature such as this has to be used carefully.

What's that quote? With great ... comes great ... ?

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[–] go1dfish 9 points 37 points (+46|-9) ago  (edited ago)

Power and responsibility.

I don’t trust the user base here with the power to add rules to system subs.

Democracy has the effect of eliminating any sense of personal responsibility.

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[–] Disappointed 0 points 18 points (+18|-0) ago 

With great effort comes extra flushes?

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[–] freshmeat 18 points 8 points (+26|-18) ago  (edited ago)

the people helping you vet it are the people who are going to abuse it. Stop thinking like a dev for a minute and be honest.

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[–] BaneGhostiSwear 4 points 1 point (+5|-4) ago  (edited ago)

you have to be severely retarded... oh wait, you're a bunch of militant criminal SJWs hellbent on censoring voat users!!

no one in their right mind running a social network claiming it's for free speech would ever do such a stupid thing - - of course, i remember when you banned 100s of user accounts for upvoting me, even accounts that had only upvoted once, but when your criminal SJW shill buddies downvote brigaded me 20,000 points, you did nothing but ban more upvoters.

"with great failure comes great suffering, @puttitout."

[–] [deleted] 4 points 18 points (+22|-4) ago 

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[–] go1dfish 3 points 24 points (+27|-3) ago 

To be clearer I don’t think the rule feature and tying mod actions to rules is bad.

What I’m concerned about is the longer term plan to allow users to vote in new rules in @system sub verses and especially /v/whatever

If the voting aspect is limited to non system subs, and system sub rules are only sitewide + off topic then that could be a very good feature IMO.

But if allowed to subsume the site we will end up where Reddit did.

Another feature that might mitigate this is if non global rule violations result in moving a post to /v/whatever or some other catch all rather than removing the post as happens now.

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[–] SegFault 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

They can simply have the rule "do not post actual illegal (according to the laws of <this particular country>) content here". Those were never allowed to begin with and the rules can omit all civility requirements, for instance.

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[–] RedditisPropaganda31 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Give them an inch of censorship and this site becomes rddit

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[–] chmod 6 points 25 points (+31|-6) ago  (edited ago)

I'll go test but I think I've only banned one person in 3 years and have never deleted a comment. What happens If I don't implement any rules? I have to suddenly make new rules if someone starts being a jagoff?

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[–] PuttItOut [S] 0 points 30 points (+30|-0) ago 

Voat is small right now and managing it is too time consuming as is (viewing reports, removing dox, removing illegal content, etc.). This rule feature is needed to help manage the chaos if Voat grows bigger.

By having a system like this we can create alerts that will help us respond quicker.

I've had dox content up on the site for days or sometimes weeks because things are so inefficient.

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[–] chmod 0 points 26 points (+26|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Meh.

I'm not going to implement any rules. I have rules on some of my subs but I've never enforced them because that's not Voat. Now you are making me create 'official' rules.

I'm not sure about this.

That being said, I've told you and Atko repeatedly over the years to delegate your workload. And who the hell is "us?"

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[–] 12066679? 3 points 19 points (+22|-3) ago  (edited ago)

How do you expect it to grow bigger when every sub that tries to come here from reddit is run off? You know what to do but youre scared to do it or just do know how bad its got. What's the worse that could happen? The bulk of the users here finally get a say and are able to speak free without people telling them what they have to do. Your content producers are being run off and targetted. Your possible donations are being run off. Downvotes should be to sort comments only not bury information or ideas ppl dont like. Work on that. I'm conservtive leaning but I want to be challenged not read the same perspective I agree with every day. Do that and I'll start posting again. You are allowing the mob to censor subs and people and ideas and I know you dont want that. 90 percent of us voaters are on your side but we're sick of the drama and brigades. The alt armies are dividing voat. Please help us get our free speech back we lost here. I wanted to make a new sub now im done with my finals last year but if I do I have to go by the mob rules or lock it away from v/all thats not fair.

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[–] Nerobot 3 points 9 points (+12|-3) ago 

People offered to help.

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[–] Broc_Lia 5 points 2 points (+7|-5) ago 

Depends on the sub, if it's just for fucking around then I doubt anyone will mind you making a broad rule like "don't be a jagoff." If it's a bigger sub they might want you to be more specific.

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[–] Womb_Raider 9 points 11 points (+20|-9) ago 

inb4 this system gets abused by SBBH to sabotage subs

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[–] fusir 8 points 1 point (+9|-8) ago  (edited ago)

Yeah. You give them a warning. You tell everyone you are about to institute a rule and why. If they continue then you ban them. This rarely has been needed on Voat but every time it has it's worked. The problem comes when people skip those steps. Even if people end up agreeing with you in the long run it stirs up a debate. Voat has an immune system and even if otherwise innocuous that is the equivelent of inducing anaphylactic shock.

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[–] Womb_Raider ago 

Who do you think would downvoat this comment?

[–] [deleted] 8 points 22 points (+30|-8) ago 

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[–] PuttItOut [S] 0 points 29 points (+29|-0) ago 

This is about two things:

  1. Being able to respond quickly to user reports (rules are needed for this data processing where as a random "reason" can not be categorized.
  2. Associating actions with a clearly defined violation.

We are not adding more rules, we are cleaning up the entire deletion and reporting system which was designed poorly.

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[–] SexMachine 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

If you need a global volunteer to help clear reports, I'm on Voat daily.

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[–] Grifter42 21 points 0 points (+21|-21) ago 

Because this is SBBH and Kevdude trying to gain control of the few subverses that they don't already have complete control of.

[–] [deleted] 18 points 6 points (+24|-18) ago 

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[–] Disappointed 2 points 21 points (+23|-2) ago  (edited ago)

PuttItOut perhaps that anon discussion feature you used some months ago might be a good idea for future discussions on this. As it is people are picking sides based on looking at people's profiles and handles rather than what they say.

@Xennios @Dancing_Queen read the OP and OP commentsin this thread and see here also(check the sub rules examples in the sidebar) https://preview.voat.co/v/voatdev/2135999

@knightwarrior41 I didn't forget ;)

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[–] knightwarrior41 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I didn't forget ;)

thank you buddy :)

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[–] Disappointed 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

That link above is a test site so you can check it out yourself and if you find bugs post them back in this sub as a submission.

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[–] totes_magotes 8 points 17 points (+25|-8) ago 

Which will do a fat lot of good if we still have to rely on an admin who is, as we are constantly told, to busy doing Dev work to actually admin. Don't think that the things you do aren't appreciated but it's the things you're not doing which is causing the current problems.

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[–] PuttItOut [S] 1 point 26 points (+27|-1) ago 

Everything I am working on is to help resolve this.

You will soon see why we are working to have the community manage itself rather than rely on a centralized operator.

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[–] totes_magotes 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

I understand. I get it, I do. "But in the meantime" is a serious issue right now. Whenever there's an issue, we get told you're too busy. Which I get but, yeah, I'm (more than) a little sour about it because there are people who need supervision.

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[–] freshmeat 16 points -3 points (+13|-16) ago 

There never was a centralized operator, just an absentee landlord painting lipstick on a dead pig.

Fix the fuckin site before you try to "innovate"

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[–] ZetaReticulan 4 points 17 points (+21|-4) ago 

Putt can you run subverse request?

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[–] totes_magotes 3 points 7 points (+10|-3) ago 

No. Haven't you heard? Putt is too busy doing Dev work to actually admin these days.

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[–] PuttItOut [S] 1 point 16 points (+17|-1) ago 

Stop spying on me

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[–] ZetaReticulan 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Damnit

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[–] Cuckbot 8 points 13 points (+21|-8) ago 

People will be hesitant to comment here because of all the drama and shitposting. For some that might be the goal.

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[–] Nerobot 7 points 13 points (+20|-7) ago 

Canary?

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[–] PuttItOut [S] 0 points 21 points (+21|-0) ago 

Only updated on v/announcement posts, but it is still valid :)

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[–] Nerobot 3 points 16 points (+19|-3) ago  (edited ago)

Not that I care much myself but people were fidgety about it. Thanks.

Let people make their own subversusand do with them what they like, user have mobs and brigades descend on them because one power user is pushing no comment deletions. The reddit power mods here have been replaced with power userswho think they run voat and are perfectly willing to spend the time and energy to disrupt communities. They hve list of unwritten ules thy impose on nyone here wantig to just share some interests ad its only getting worse. You saw it happen on reddit. You saw it here with Sanegoat callig everyone shills. Now you have people like @crensch calling anyone who disagrees with him and doesnt want to torture jews a shill and this is the user you have a sticky of to greet users in https://voat.co/v/introductions/1350015 with a list of unwritten rules they have to abide by or have shoved down their throat(check out the politics section). How would you feel reading that if you were new? The users have no one but you and a few of us other to stick for them. Dont give too much power to the elite mob who runs out new communities coming here.

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