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[–] thingsarefun [S] 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Quite the random traffic stop. Helicopter. 4+ police vehicles. Men hiding in the woods.

100% random

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[–] Grospoliner ago 

Who are the morons believing the police saying that they could go peacefully? Cops are allowed to lie in execution of their duties. Unless Bundy got it in writing, notarized and stamped by the court, it don't mean jack shit in the legal realm.

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[–] RobAlter 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Typical FBI, shooting a man in the back. Cowards.

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[–] Devildetails 2 points 3 points (+5|-2) ago 

He reached.

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[–] Unreasonable ago 

Did he fire? Do you think our most elite FBI officers can't handle a scenario where they have sniper support, cover, long barrel guns, etc... and wait to see if he actually pulls? What if he was clutching at his heart, since he was old, and under stress and trudging through the snow, maybe he was having a heart attack?

This.... this was a hit job, plain and simple.

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[–] Gravspeed 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago 

I came to the same conclusion.

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[–] Slayfire122 1 point 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

You can see him flinch at the 5/6 second mark. This tells me he was shot in the back and grabbed for the gunshot wound, not a pistol. You can clearly see he was fatally shot at the 9 second mark. However, until we see the dashcam footage, we won't know if he was grabbing for a gun or the gunshot wound.

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[–] sadam029 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Why doesn't it start from when he came out of the truck? or before?

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[–] Obrez 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

There isn't audio and the video isn't the best, to me it looks like one of 5 things:

  1. The guy is earnestly trying to surrender and having trouble keeping his balance after he wrecked the SUV sudden movements spook the cops they shoot, maybe in cold blood, no audio.

  2. He was trying to suicide by cop by baiting them, it looks a bit strange though, he was going for a cross draw but other videos clearly shows he doesn't keep a gun on his left hip, could be the video quality though.

  3. They shot him while he was surrendering, likely a result of the confusion. He gets out, raises his hands, cops start barking a mix of orders, one guy thinks he has a gun and says drop your weapon while the others are probably telling him to get on the ground, he goes to disarm himself, stumbles and is possibly surprised by the cop behind him; that guy thinks he's drawing a weapon and then fires.

  4. They shot him mid surrender because they thought he ran over the one cop; his reaching is him grabbing his wound.

  5. He is legitimately mentally disabled and thought to feint a surrender and then draw a weapon in front on an unknown number of armed law officers.

I know reddit is full of a bunch of blood thirsty liberals but this is a serious matter and wont be resolved without an autopsy, more eyewitness testimony and further deconstruction of this video. Even then the unrelenting tactless reaction of large swaths of this and other pro authoritarian communities and the attitude of the media has no doubt already provoked the next Timothy McVeigh.

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

Personally I think it was a shit Idea to try to leave the refuge, and these guys didn't plan very well heading into this thing, I wish somebody with tech skills had thought to get them to use face time instead of leaving the refuge.

I absolutely support them but they underestimated how big the conspiracy is to keep them down, because it isn't all about them but it's about a system of control and profit.

I hope Hillary burns for pre-selling the Hammond's and their neighbors' land to the ruskies.

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[–] DAEreddit 3 points -3 points (+0|-3) ago 

I honestly dont give much of a damn about your reasons, you act in the same manner as this dumbass then you deserve to get shot.