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[–] OuttaMind 1 points 68 points (+69|-1) ago 

This happened right after the election of 2004, which was a pretty sketchy win to my memory. Then this just poof vanishes. No major investigations or FBI probe. Classic american justice for white collar crimes. Good post. I had always heard the rumors about touch screen voting machine manipulation but never knew there was this video testimony. Kinda just chalked it up to more tin-foil hat what not. Can't really say I am surprised though either. Anything that speaks 0's and 1's can be infiltrated.

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[–] SonOfApollo 1 points 18 points (+19|-1) ago 

I second this. Even if we're proven wrong, we should at least discuss the possibilities of what's going on with the best evidence we have. Discussion births good ideas, but leaving these "crazy ideas" in the dark because they sound like "tinfoil hat nonsense" is never going to progress the discussion beyond contemplation. I've seen some great stuff happen when we promote solid discussion.

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[–] OuttaMind 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

Fair enough, lol. There is a lot more disinformation and fear mongering than truths though. Take alex jones for example he can touch base on some solid issues with substantial evidence, but then he start talking about selling his books and dvd's to know all these deep dark secrets. It is just dirty. I never fully discount anything I hear but this day in age it is hard to not be skeptical about stuffs I read on the interwebs. I will say though there are plenty of truth seeking conspiracy researchers that are fighting the good fight. Like Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth (http://www.ae911truth.org) they just got the NYC fire department on board with their cause. They don't go about it in a fear mongering way. This is the kind of truth seeking we need.

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[–] wellendowedduckling 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I'm with you. It is so easy to marginalize rational dissent these days by just calling someone a conspiracy theorist. Drives me nuts!

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[–] squiremarcus 1 points 18 points (+19|-1) ago 

-we investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong

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[–] sirgallium 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

The official ruling in 2004 stunned me. "There isn't enough time to do a recount of Florida. We are just going to make the choice."

What? You don't have to count votes anymore? Damn.

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[–] riposte2 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

He only says that he believed it was hacked based on exit poll data. He had no knowledge of anyone ever even speaking about manipulating the votes. He has 0 hard evidence of any hack.

Of course it was most certainly hacked, but there is only circumstantial evidence at best. 2000 Florida, 2004 ohio. The 2012 ohio hack was stopped, but ohio didn't matter anyway.

I have 0 faith in any electronic vote counting software that has no oversight, but this video doesn't offer any actual evidence. Hence it is easily dismissed.

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[–] Kithsander 4 points 68 points (+72|-4) ago 

But let's make sure to press the "your vote counts" bullshit to keep people believing they actually have some say in the world around them. Cause you know, if you don't vote you can't bitch...

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[–] ddd 3 points 18 points (+21|-3) ago 

your vote counts! .... for one of two choices. sadly the system is set up to be gamed in too many different ways

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[–] EndDrugAndOtherWars 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

Did you watch the video? Because it's worse than that...

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[–] HoneyNutStallmans 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

The people of Hong Kong protested everywhere when they were given a preselected group of candidates swayed by Beijing influences from which they could choose. What's with the US?

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[–] akuta 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

"You too can vote for one of one choices!" It doesn't matter if you even have two options if the software/hardware is switching your vote behind the scenes...

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[–] toobaditworks 2 points 13 points (+15|-2) ago 

I think you have it backwards. Those who vote can't bitch. You played the game. You either won or you lost. But either way you should not be sore winners or sore losers. Those who didn't vote didn't play the game and can bitch about the game all day long.

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[–] ParadigmShift 3 points 3 points (+6|-3) ago 

If you're going to bitch about the system, at least work towards fixing it. If you want to just sit there and bitch, feel free, but I won't listen.

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[–] BonsaiLeaf 1 points 46 points (+47|-1) ago 

Computers don't rig elections, politicians pay engineers to set up computers to rig elections.

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[–] BonsaiLeaf 1 points 10 points (+11|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Convince the SJWs that computers are what judge them for being fat. Computers will be banned for not being "politically correct" in hours.

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[–] bugmenot 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

About computers, what's so fucked it that if the software is done correctly the elections could NOT be rigged. Every single citizen could verify that his vote was properly cast while keeping its anonymity. A simple Merkle Tree would do that.

Example: https://github.com/Craig-Macomber/election

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[–] zephroth 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

actualy if done right the computer system could be the end of rigged elections. But it has to be carefully written and then left alone.

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[–] VigilantDebacle 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I must say I'm a fan of Canada's system more and more. A paper ballot you write on and put into a box. If it ain't broke don't fix it.

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[–] greycloud 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

actually its not politicians that pay for the rigging, it is the oligarchy members who pay for the politicians political platform that pays the engineers. politicians are just puppets for rich people who don't have time to serve in office. those people need the laws to favor them, but don't have the time to do it. a quick cost/benefit analysis shows them that the optimal choice is to hire someone to be a politician for them and pay them. the supreme court has allowed this under the guise of "freedom of speech".

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[–] SpaceLizard 1 points 29 points (+30|-1) ago 

This is why open source is important. If you open source your election voting software anyone could audit it.

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[–] EndDrugAndOtherWars 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Someone should sponsor a bill making the source code on any electronic voting software OPEN SOURCE. WITH A RECEIPT

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[–] bugmenot 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

It wouldn't solve the problem. It's the implementation that matters. See: https://github.com/Craig-Macomber/election

Open sourcing the software doesn't ensure that it isn't tampered with.

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[–] Farstrider 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

very true, this video covers many of the reasons why it is bad

Tom Scott - Why Electronic Voting is a BAD Idea

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[–] ginx2666 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Who would guarantee that the code you're seeing is the same thing that's on voting terminals?

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[–] SpaceLizard 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

That would fall on the local government, community, and parties involved to determine who, and how to go about checking the machines.

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[–] SpaceLizard 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I'm not seeing your point, both parties(or more) would be able to verify the integrity of the compiled software with a gpg signature. It would be a huge step up from the black boxes that are currently in use.

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[–] livesnbox 2 points 23 points (+25|-2) ago 

this is something surprising? Closed source computer programs can do ANYTHING repeat ANYTHING they want and you may never be able to tell unless you are auditing everything coming in and going out.

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[–] EndDrugAndOtherWars 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

If voting changed anything they would make it illegal. Trump should have never signed that pledge, they will cheat him out of the election. I'm sure they are already securing delegates at the convention for Bush like they are doing for Hillary. This is all for show. It's all about Gary Johnson/Jill Steins lawsuit to open up the corrupt prison Commission on Presidential Debates now, at least let people hear alternative viewpoints at the debate.

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[–] PM_ME_YOUR_ESSENCE 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

Fortunately, even though the DMCA has made this technically illegal, we still have free and open access to some pretty damn good audit tools. (aka; wireshark, which is ridiculously awesome, and free, compared to what we had to work with back in the early 1990's. . . )

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[–] SuperConductiveRabbi 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

Whatever wakes people up. Don't downplay people's concern about privacy just because it would've been better had they realized the issue earlier.

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[–] Scine 0 points 17 points (+17|-0) ago 

Open Source that shit. Paper trails, and a full accountability. Treat them like slot machines are treated in Vegas. You bet your ASS that if there's a faulty slot machine, it's yanked and fully investigated.

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[–] bugmenot 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

If implemented correctly and based on simple cryptography the programs could be closed source and it would still be 100% un-riggeable. Open sourcing the current software wouldn't solve the issue at all and tampering would remain possible (although it would at least be a step in the right direction).

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[–] greycloud 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

the problem is that from the outside such a program would look identical to one that rigged the system. the public would have no way of knowing if the machine was rigged or not. i think the best way is for everyone to volunteer away their privacy and publicly state who they voted for. then have the mathematicians count the publicly stated votes and run a statistical analysis. if the statistical analysis disagrees with the voting machines than there should be an investigation. wikileaks is pretty good about being transparent and representing truth regardless of the political outcome. i trust them over the FBI to run the investigation.

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[–] DarkNoobz 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

why the fuck is everyone laughing and joking at this shit? this isn't funny, this is rather serious.

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[–] PM_ME_YOUR_ESSENCE 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

it is our last resort. Obviously, voting can't change the system. Occupy proved that protest can't change the system. (Assad did too). And #blacklivesmatter is proving that rioting sure as hell ain't going to change the system. We could armed revolt. (again: see Egypt, Syria, Turkey . . . for how that usually works out). Best thing left seems to just joke about it. Hey man, these chains? They're hilarious!

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[–] un_salamandre 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Wait, so american voting machines (stupid idea in itself, but ok) don't use open source software? What kind of thinking is that?

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[–] bugmenot 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Sheeplethink.

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