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[–] Is_not_a_bot 5 points 164 points (+169|-5) ago  (edited ago)

You can see the bias in that discussion.  

Sure, the guy was being a bit of a douche about it, but in the end he has valid points and the threat of violence was totally uncalled for and unnecessary. What pisses me off the most about this "discussion", is that after the transexual decides to threaten someone who does not have the same opinion, everyone else immediately defends the transexual when he/she was totally in the wrong.

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[–] GeminiK 0 points 36 points (+36|-0) ago 

This is my baseline for "is it sexist?" If it's bad in the inverse, it's bad here.

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[–] un_salamandre 1 points 8 points (+9|-1) ago 

Fucking yes.

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[–] buzz182 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Nothing would have happened because we're all equal.

edit: Apologies that's not how equal rights work.

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[–] TheJanitor 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Both valid points

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[–] Sciency 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Seriously, that dude went from impartial to lawyer in like .2 seconds.

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[–] Bindlestiff 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

to be fair to him, even if he wanted to deliver his point tactfully there was no way it was going to happen. they were doing their damnedest to give him as little time to talk as possible.

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[–] Pissed-Off-Panda 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Yep ... that's what makes this totally wrong and disgusting. Everyone's just trying so hard to pacify this dude in a dress, anything and everything he does and says is okay. He's untouchable.

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[–] Sciency 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Rightfully so, he probably threatened all of them too.

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[–] Kleyno 6 points 104 points (+110|-6) ago 

You are not being respectful to the pronouns...

I have to now be respectful to a fucking group of words?! Are you shitting me!!!???

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[–] Kleyno 0 points 23 points (+23|-0) ago  (edited ago)

And I am quite sure I wasn't supposed to put the word fucking in there, either, but I sure as hell fucking did.

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[–] Hellenomania 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Isn't it a compound split infinitive?

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[–] RumbledFeathers 2 points 7 points (+9|-2) ago 

Another example of how the popular media values people's feelings over facts and science. Fucking Pathetic. As long it is something that emasculates white men it seems like its OK for the popular media.

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[–] losian 25 points 6 points (+31|-25) ago 

Yeah, who cares about pronouns and such, right? I mean, it's not like you'd be upset if someone walked up to you and called you a little girl, or a boy, or maybe an infant, you'd just shrug it off entirely.

Are people so fucking bent sideways at pissing and moaning about nothing that you can't just call someone their preferred gender? Is that so hard?

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[–] Kleyno 2 points 65 points (+67|-2) ago 

Again, your argument is only valid if you ascribe to the whole idea that Gender is fluid, and/or mutually exclusive from your sex, which I do not.

Yes, you can have men who believes they are women, and vice versa, but that does not make gender fluid, or make them right.

What that does mean is that they are either suffering from a psychological or physiological condition which has resulted in that current mindset.

If we don't go around telling everyone to call a man Jesus, or Napoleon, just because they believe themselves to be those individuals, then I do not see why we are being forced to do the same for an individual who is equally as wrong about what "gender" they are.

If you want to call them whatever pronoun they want to be called, fine, but I will not help to play into their delusions. I also, however, will not go out of my way to harass them about it, or ridicule them, because as I said before, they are suffers of a condition.

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[–] toobaditworks 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Just because you prefer a certain gender and identify as such doesn't mean everyone else has to. I see a man with a mental illness wearing a dress. If you want to play dress up and pretend you're a woman go for it but don't expect everyone to go along with it. The people pissing and moaning in this video were the mentally ill folks attacking that man for the truth. And one was so bent sideways in his dress that he threatened him with violence. It shows his mental instability.

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[–] Pissed-Off-Panda 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Well some people don't want to play pretends and say that a man dressed as a woman is a female. Whenever I refer to Caitlyn Jenner as "she" I feel inside like I'm lying to myself. That's not a pleasant feeling. Why does anyone have to feel that? Also, that's just a known insult people throw around, like calling women "he" or that they look/act like a man, or telling a man he looks/acts like a woman. TG people aren't exempt from this if they're arguing with someone.

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[–] Al3s 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

A "fucking " group of words. You are not being respectful to words. You better watch out...

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[–] birds_sing 1 points 91 points (+92|-1) ago 

It's disgusting how in our society now we give certain people the right to do horrible things and get away with it because they are different and we aren't allowed to criticize them or their actions at all.

Imagine a person standing in front of a judge and the judge asks them,"what caused you to beat that individual so bad that they had to be taken out of there in an ambulance?" And the person responds, "because they insulted me." Then every witness in the room says, "well he did insult them, and they shouldn't have insulted them."

How did this become acceptable?

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[–] Zodi 0 points 17 points (+17|-0) ago  (edited ago)

People don't think about their actions if the actions are socially acceptable.

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[–] TropicalJupiter 2 points 20 points (+22|-2) ago 

Thanks for the bold letters. Otherwise I wouldn't have known how precious your opinion was.

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[–] Cheese_Whizard 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Pretty sure no one finds threatening to beat a person bloody socially acceptable, and if there are people like that I hope to God I never meet them.

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[–] Sosacms 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago 

Victim blaming at it's finest. "You should have known this would upset them" is awfully close to "you shouldn't have burnt dinner".

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[–] weabot 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Well there's nothing wrong with victim blaming. I mean, if she didn't have a vagina, an anus, a mouth and boobs, I wouldn't have raped her. I actually couldn't have. Don't people know anything about prevention?

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[–] redditsoldout 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Braklyn Jender killed some woman recently by rear ending her on the freeway and knocking her into oncoming traffic, but gets an award for courage? fuck this stupid population. bunch of fags, and i don't mean the good kind where somebody gets their dick sucked.

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[–] milliamp 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

This is especially true of the N word.

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[–] Oveneise 0 points 47 points (+47|-0) ago 

Jesus christ people are fucking insane. Cognitive dissonance is something we need to work on as a society, both sides.

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[–] EIMR 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

So fucking true. Many idiots are just insulting each other instead of doing something useful.

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[–] ShampocalypseWOW 2 points 42 points (+44|-2) ago 

This is pretty relevant. Just because you like to think you are something doesn't mean you are, and doesn't mean everyone else should play along with you. If you think you're a dog, it's going to be considered by most people as "inappropriate" at best for me to treat you like a dog and probably criminal to perform surgery to change you into a dog. Nonetheless, there are people who legitimately believe they are some non-human animal and that they're in the wrong body. There are also people who think their appendages are wrong and not theirs (I can think of one person who tried to get doctors to cut off her legs and after they refused, she killed her legs by icing them until they had to be cut off her in order to save her life). If you think you are not the sex you were born as, sorry, but you're just wrong. Biology doesn't fuck up like that, but your brain sure is capable of fucking up and making you think something ridiculous. With all of the crazy people we have in the world, with all the crazy things people are capable of believing, how is this one somehow different?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-9_rxXFu9I

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[–] CallMeBigPapaya 12 points 7 points (+19|-12) ago 

Biology doesn't fuck up like that

Yes it does.

but your brain sure is capable of fucking up and making you think something ridiculous.

I know what you mean, but you should find a different way to word it. Your brain is part of your biology.

Brain scans show that many transgendered brains are physiologically different from the typical brain of their birth gender.

The interesting part is that they are also not like the opposite gender either.

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[–] ShampocalypseWOW 4 points 16 points (+20|-4) ago 

Yes it does.

No, it doesn't. If biology wanted you to be one sex and not another, guess which sex you'd be.

I know what you mean, but you should find a different way to word it

No I'm good with this way.

Your brain is part of your biology.

Your development, which is how your brain is shaped by its environment and other circumstances, however, is not part of your biology. If there was something genetic telling someone that they were not the sex they physically were (or even that they were gay), then it would have died out long ago. That we consistently have people with these feelings across broad genetic landscapes shows that the causes are developmental, not genetic. This is biology 101 kinda stuff.

Brain scans show that many transgendered brains are physiologically different from the typical brain of their birth gender.

What are you talking about?? "Birth scans"? Like scans of transgender babies? That's just ridiculous.

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[–] Sosacms 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

My main hiccup with Transgender was simply the gender line issue. Why do we need to cross genders to behave certain ways? Can't a woman do manly things without becoming a man first, and vice a versa?

Biologically there isn't really a change, a man will always have a man's body development, and vice a versa. That creates some questionable situations like physical sports, is it fair to have a post-male woman complete with naturally developed female muscle structure?

Mentally, there is a grey are between personality and mental disorder. Suicide rates are a fine indicator of mental issues, in the sense they didn't have the mental health prevent the suicide. Physical differences with the brain can be can lead to all sorts of things; good, bad, and fascinating.

Personally, the best I can do is; I'm going to assign gender by appearance. Biologically, gender has already been decided, appearances can be changed, and there is nothing wrong with a guy/girl wanting to change up gender behaviors.

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[–] schnautzi 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I really don't see why you're downvoted like that, since you're actually right.

Your claims can be backed up by scientific research instead of religious figures who, in my opinion, must think in dogmas to believe what they believe in the first place. Their dogma based reasoning should not outweigh an argument backed by many years of dedicated hard work and science.

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[–] DVeeD 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Agreed. The brain is a tricky thing and bizarre things have come about because of it. Body integrity identity disorder is an actual thing, not just what some nutter is making up. At the end of the day, what is true and untrue will be determined by what data we collect and through rigorous research and so far research has shown that these disorders exist and should be considered seriously.

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[–] BloodPool 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

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[–] atotalnoob 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

The DSM recognized transgender as a mental disorder. It isn't natural to cut off your dick.

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[–] TehRiddles 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Biology doesn't fuck up like that

It fucks up in a hell of a lot of ways, kind of silly to say when it doesn't mess up. It's not supposed to mess up in the first place anyway.

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[–] ShampocalypseWOW 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

There's a difference between biology fucking up and development of the brain fucking up.

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[–] BloodPool 1 points 30 points (+31|-1) ago  (edited ago)

I like how right after the she-male's THREAT of: "If you don't cut that out right now, you're going to go home in an ambulance...", the guy to his/her right says to SHAPIRO, "To be fair, you are being rude." C'MON PEOPLE! Seriously, what the fuck!?

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[–] lissencarak 1 points 10 points (+11|-1) ago 

That's the type of discourse right now. What is appropriate and what isn't has changed places.

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[–] Sosacms 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

"Sticks and stones will break my bones, buy words will never hurt me."

Has become; "sticks and stones will break your bones, so your words will never trigger me."

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[–] josemon 1 points 22 points (+23|-1) ago 

It doesn't matter if people treat her like a woman, anyone with half a brain can tell right away it's a dude.

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[–] TropicalJupiter 6 points 9 points (+15|-6) ago 

I'm okay believing she is an ugly, violent woman.

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[–] 1164833? 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

At the end of the day its obviously a dude.

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[–] DoNotTrustMe 0 points 22 points (+22|-0) ago  (edited ago)

@2:07 Tran threatens - "You cut that out now, you will go home in an ambulance"

@2:18 the defence is - "But to be fair, you're actually being quite rude"

JUST FUCK MY SHIT UP

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[–] Typo 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

I was seeing Mrs. Doubtfire the entire time so it was difficult to take the threat seriously.

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[–] adjective-noun 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

It seems identifying as a woman grants the pussy-pass.

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