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[–] Rellik88 1 points 7 points (+8|-1) ago 

Yep, if he would of leaned right, and steered left he would of missed it.

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[–] TeranNotTerran 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago  (edited ago)

30-40 mph

Depends on the geometer of the bike. More like 10mph or a little less. The crossover speeds can be a little awkward, but riding a motorcycle is mostly intuitive if it has proper steering geometery with you on it.

Obviously, this rider knew how to counter steer. I think they panicked and reverted back to "regular" steering before the crash. It was interesting how the bike wanted to lean but he kept fighting it. Definitely seems like a panicked response. Would be curious to hear the rider's explanation, assuming he's still arrive. Sad and awful crash.

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Ive taken corners way faster than I should have, its crazy how hard you have put pressure on the bars for the bike to lean so it corners... The bike just wants to go straight

Your bike's steering geometry is off then. You usually want neutral steering, some force needed to lean, then it holds the lean. You should fix that. Some bikes will fall into corners, some will keep right up, and others will take them pretty naturally. If you have to exert a ton of force on the bike to get it to do something, you're asking for trouble.

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[–] Rellik88 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

When I was a kid watching MOTGP I was shocked how they had the balls to drag their knee. Then one day I bought a sport bike, and totally found how much of a rush it is.

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[–] CantBuyPersonality 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Yeah way too fast for his level of experience. Watching in slow motion you can see him panic steering.

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[–] bob3333 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

You can't just turn any old way you want to. Inertia's a bitch.

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[–] 5v1soundsfair 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Imo anyone wanting to ride street should be forced to ride off-road for at least a year first. Will give needed experience to avoid similar tragedy.

I know this may not sound easy but off road is cheaper to start and usually much safer. If someone must they can sell their dirt bike when they're ready to move up to street. Getting a dirt bike tagged for street is also a fun option.

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[–] zbravoz 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I've said this for many years.....the dynamics of being on two wheels....what's a problem....what isn'tt....having front and rear tire losing traction and not tensinrashg up or panicking when it may correct itself and was never a REAL problem. These skills are learned in the dirt and have saved me from road rash many times.

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[–] analfaveto 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Nope, he would have crashed anyway. He was going too fast, and his line was bad. What you've seen in that video is only the effect of trying to beat physics.

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[–] revmoo 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

This is hilariously wrong

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[–] derram 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=VVE79XT8-Mg :

Consequences of not understanding Counter-steering on a motorcycle - YouTube


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[–] ExpertShitposter 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Basically a noob crash. You still biking around? I sold off my 600 bout 2 years ago.

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[–] ExpertShitposter 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Reminds me of all my crazy shit i pulled. I rode like fucking ghost rider and i dont mean that faggot move.

I miss the traveling and adventures. But...i would not have survived long term.

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[–] mrgreenjeans9 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

ever read 'twist of the wrist' by keith code? rider had nothing in reserve

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[–] ExpertShitposter 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I did, but there was no need for reserve in his case, he wasn't going fast, just did everything wrong.

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[–] thantik 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

You have been banned from /v/FatPeopleHate.

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[–] aLegoInYourShoe 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Before I bought my first sports bike, I drilled into my head that if I ever hit a corner going too fast, lean more and increase the gas and DON'T FUCKING HIT THE BRAKE.

Believe it or not, it saved me more than once even if it felt counter intuitive and the situation was bordering on a panicked state.

I had the fortune of older riders going on and on and on about this, and also showing me countless gopro vids of them eating shit due to panicking and hitting the brake so the bike turned upright.

I don't really understand the guy in the video though unless it's his first time on a bike at that speed. Counter steering is not something you even have to think about, it's how bikes operate and something you do naturally. You feel it when you shift your body weight and it becomes second nature very fast.

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[–] Zcybd 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

When in doubt, throttle it out saved my ass numerous times. Can't speedwobble if your front wheel isn't touching the ground

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[–] TeranNotTerran 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Depends on the scenario. If you have a bit of a runway you can right the bike up, brake, then lean again. But a lot of the times, leaning harder is the way to go.

That doesn't always work, like if your tires don't have the profile to support a further lean. I have some touring-esque tires on my Honda Hawk GT and it just won't lean all that far over. I'm already near the edges of the tires on a fairly spirited ride. I do try to keep myself on slower bikes, one of the benefits is that it's harder to go extremely hot into a turn. I can be a little over, then bleed off some speed and keep going.

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[–] CantBuyPersonality 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I've recovered [street bikes] from losing rear traction a few times, but never from losing front wheel traction. Either way, braking is bad for control, period.

You bring up an interesting point about suspension dive. Check out "Weissach" and "Telelever" and "Paralever". The first one is a Porsche concept the others are on BMW bikes.

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[–] ardvarcus 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

Counter-steering is a reality, but it's also an abstraction. Steering a motorcycle is something you just do intuitively -- you have to do it intuitively or you could never do it quickly enough in a crisis to save your life. If you start thinking about how to counter-steer when you begin to wander off the road, you are fucked.

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[–] GumbyTM 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

That was a whole bunch of fuck up.

  • Too fast
  • No margin for error
  • Target fixate
  • ...And yes, he should have hung his ass of the right side while pulling the fuck out of the left bar.

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[–] 5v1soundsfair 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

That was hard to watch. I didn't touch a street bike until I had several years off-road experience on a dirt bike, if I ever have kids and they want to ride, they will do the same. I can't imagine going straight from a bicycle to street bike, dirt to street is still a rather shocking transition.

Holy shit, can't believe he survived.

Edit: Whats up with the road they're on? Almost looks like a track. Idk if I've ever seen a road that wide with shoulder stripes but no lane markers, makes it look like he didnt take the right line through the corner either.

Oh and the camera surviving and continuing to record is crazy.

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[–] Rellik88 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I rode a dirt bike once before commuting to work with a sport bike. However I did take a riders course, to get my license and that help a ton.

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[–] CantBuyPersonality 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

@derram your next project could be a bot that lets us know if the person died.

You could integrate some ai to watch the videos. If their shoes came off etc you could confidently post that they died.

I am pretty sure this is a fatality. But I haven't found the article yet.

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