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[–] SexMachine 6 points 0 points (+6|-6) ago 

You can't really blame the police on the ground, just like you can't blame the soldiers for the war.

This was a failure from the top, state and local government.

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[–] DUNGBEETLE 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

Police discretion is a viable option, the police community has in this case they knowingly let people loose into a angry mob where they where assaulted. If this have been some nigger that walked into a lynch mob the fallout would be massive.

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[–] Cat-hax 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Yep the police knew that they were going to be assaulted, they could of at least escorted them through the crazies

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[–] SexMachine 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Orders can be completely legal and still fucked up. That's why competent leadership is a must.

There was a situation during my first deployment where mortars were being walked in on our position, and better judgment would be for us to run, but the command from higher was to hold position. They didn't tell us why at the time, so it sounded completely fucked. After the battle we were told they were tracking the point of origin of the mortars and taking out the targets with Apaches.

Like I said, the soldiers on the ground aren't always given the whole picture, and neither are the police. The ones at the top screwed the pooch on this one.

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[–] GoatyMcGoatface 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Ooh, harsh redpill right here but of course it's true. Just like how freedom can't be given or taken away from a free man.

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[–] 22jam22 3 points -2 points (+1|-3) ago 

Not used to seeing retards on voat.. Karma is not real no way there is any science that would validate order followers not getting ptsd and non order followers not getting ptsd... Go back to reddit or where ever this type of shit is takin seriously

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[–] something_went_wrong 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

"failure" implies an unintentional mistake. From the information that's coming out about the handling of this demonstration including police receiving orders to withdraw even before violent clashes began (same scenario as Berkley), it could most likely be an orchestrated act by mayor's office or above for the intended purpose of ensuring that violence escalated. The car ramming protestors at the end is the cherry on the mayor's ice-cream sundae.

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[–] SexMachine 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Failure can be intended.

But you're right, the only reason Berkley and Charlottesville blew up like this was because of possibly intended failures from the top.

I went to a Trump supporter vs anti-Trump gathering here in Texas. I didn't partake in the gathering, just observed. They had local police, county sheriff department, state troopers, and Texas Rangers there with a 100 meter no-go zone barricaded off between the two groups. The situation was entirely under control.