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[–] ReverseEntropy 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Aging pipelines cause huge environmental disasters. Not to mention that they cause a sizable amount of environmental destruction when they are built (which slowly regrows), cause millions of people to lose valuable land through imminent domain, displaces people who are in the path of the pipeline, and generally are known to provide few long-term jobs.

I'm not saying that trains are better, but pipelines have disadvantages that have caused some serious environmental disasters. Plus, the people of Oregon have spoken, and they don't want pipelines going through their state. Primarily because the majority of the oil that is hauled by trains, or that would have been pumped through the pipelines, is not intended for use by the American people, almost all of it is intended for export. They don't like that, and they understand that it benefits them little.

Having spoken to people on this issue, they don't want trains either, but at least that limits what can be moved off-shore. If it was actually going to Oregon, far more people would be onboard, but it isn't, so they oppose both methods of transport--especially when most of it is coming from Canada and just passing through.

Things like this are terrible, but in the long run, it is likely that both would result in about the same amount of environmental disasters, and either way, Oregon benefits little from it.

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[–] redditsrunbyfascist 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Why don't you just quote us the statistics.

It would avoid all this awkward talk about how you talked to people like their opinions mattered.

Https://fraserinstitute.org/sites/default/files/safety-in-the-transportation-of-oil-and-gas-pipelines-or-rail-rev2.pdf

Then take a look at table 5 and 6.

The hard work is done. Pipelines win hands down every time all the time.

Anyone who opposes pipelines is an utter moron who deserves all the derision you can muster.

Unless of course they have a magical replacement for hydrocarbons right now.

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[–] ReverseEntropy ago 

List of Pipeline Accidents in the United States in the 21st Century

http://www.nrc.uscg.mil/

http://www.businessinsider.com/crude-oil-train-derailments-2015-3?op=1

You have linked to a document that isn't accessible in my area, do you have another source? And stop being rude, you want to make an argument make it. Slinging insults just makes you look like child. And just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean the are wrong, or morons, perhaps they have information that you do not, or insight that you had not considered. You don't know until you take the time to speak to them. It would appear that rail safety is increasing pretty substantially due to accidents like these. Hopefully it gets much better.

Also, you might think a bit differently if someone came through and told you that you had to give up land or move because some corporation wanted to run a pipeline through your property to gush oil or gas through your community that in no way benefits you, your country, or your community. It helps to look at things from others perspectives.

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[–] Sciency ago 

Electric cars are getting there, battery tech just needs to catch up. And before you mention coal plants and such, consider that nuclear, wind, solar and hydro-electric are the primary energy sources in that particular region.

Another issue is the economic viability for creating a pipline in a time where alternative fuels are actually starting to catch on. A new pipline might be safer and more efficient, but it is only going to be a moneymaker for as long as oil demand stays high. Using preexisting infrastructure means many millions would be saved in the event that a pipline is only needed for another decade. Obviously the economics change from region to region, but when mountains and hills are involved, costs quickly become absurd.

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[–] twentyfive ago 

That's why you inspect pipelines and replace as needed. Pipelines are prefectly safe in comparison

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[–] ReverseEntropy ago