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[–] derram 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

So there's only one white male amongst them but it's the white males that are privileged.

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[–] BAppreciAting 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

This is not about diversity, this is about sub-saharan canibals cannibalizing Eurocentric cinema, all other cultures could give a fuck as their cinema making is frequently much better than fake Hollywood blockbusters?!$.

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[–] 8bCvYq2vpg 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Jesus Christ. If you're going to spam retarded comments, at least learn to grammar.

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[–] pitenius 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Well, they'll "inject some mild indoctrination" when it serves their ends, but cut "diversity" when it doesn't.

I'll take an example from Game of Thrones. I always thought the Ironborn were black. Why? A Feast for Crows, pg. 20 "Aeron shoved a bare black foot into a stirrup and swung himself onto the saddle." Bare foot, black... must be a brother, right? And it makes sense in the story. Theon never felt welcome in the North. The only other sea-faring group is the Summer Isles (also dark skinned). The Ironborn have a different god, different social customs (kingsmoot), a memory of an independent empire. Alfie Allen is great, but he's not what I'd imagined.

However, when people decry the show as racist, they complain about the locals of Morocco adoring Daenerys, or other crap. It's like they were offended first and brought that shit to watching the show. The complainers rarely nerd out over the books -- or even notice that it's popular among black audiences.

I think the studios are unwaveringly committed to tokenism. Like the magic negro. There's always ONE black character. But never any inkling of a separate population with a historical independence, or anything interesting beyond their race. They often "act white", too, unless its a "very special episode about coloreds". I'd say we're all shafted by this sense of besserwissen. The media producers can't stomach people being different beyond the hue of their skin.

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[–] BigBadWolf 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

This is a great comment and exactly spot on. When Friends came on the air in 1994 it had a lesbian couple getting married and raising a baby together. But it wasn't a huge plot point, it wasn't a "hey look how tolerant we are!" moment. It was "these two chicks are married and have a kid, that's normal. Move on.

Now any show that has something like that shoehorns it in, rubs it in the audiences face gleefully screaming "look, look look... we're diverse and tolerant!" which feels insincere and makes you skeptical of the whole thing.

Of course then when I say that I feel like the inter-species lesbian relationship in Dr. Who was clumsily written and forced in for the sake of diversity people immediately jump to the conclusion that I have a problem with that relationship being in the show. I'm fine with it per se, I'm just not fine with the writing of it being on par with tumblr fanfiction in terms of quality.

I always like to compare Lena Dunham's "Girls" show with Don't trust the bitch in apartment 23. Girls was supposed to be an edgy "girlpower" type thing about woman and their struggles and redefining the hollywood pre-packaged idea of femininity. It didn't and the reason it didn't is because Lena Dunham is a hack who set out to preach a message first and make a show second. Don't trust the bitch in apartment 23 on the other hand was a funny, genuinely enjoyable show which just happened to feature a main character who was a flawed, slutty, powerful, barrier-breaking woman. It did (or could've) redefined the female lead in TV but that was secondary to just making an enjoyable show. Shame it got canned.

I'm all for diversity and gender equality in TV, but as a reflection of the real world. Not as a shoehorned-in concept where the show becomes a message first and entertainment second.

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[–] pitenius 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

They never show anything else about blacks that isn't slavery or the civil rights movement.

You're spot on. I'm pissed off that Harriet Tubman will be on the $20, not Maggie L. Walker. They're banking heroes, people, not "dead presidents".

and it just makes me want to grab her by the graduation stole, shake some sense into her and yell...

Jeez. You'd assault A SINGLE MOTHER? God, you're hateful.

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[–] Dual-clutch-weenus 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

When I read that part, I had assumed his foot was black because of frostbite from being in the water. Your idea makes tons of sense though.

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[–] pitenius 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Some people say Heathcliff (of Wuthering Heights) was black for similar reasons. I don't mind black people or black characters, even in Roman swords and sandals movies, but I ask that they have some sense. Like Dido is possibly "black" (like Gaddafi) in the Aeneid. Or Aida. Or whatever... but the plot is more important. I would even say that John Boyega was about the best thing of the shitty new Force Awakens. I think it's a question of respect.