Archived "...This is why we must rise up and destroy male rule." (slimgr.com)
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Archived "...This is why we must rise up and destroy male rule." (slimgr.com)
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[–] Dereliction 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago (edited ago)
At the least we can demonstrate that her version of rape culture does not exist (in the West, anyhow), which is the point as we're dealing with her arguments and not the topic more generally.
Further on, feminists frequently do not use your definition, and consider virtually all sexual relations involving men and women to implicitly be rape because they believe women can't genuinely give consent for the reason this person outlines.
That feels a bit like a no-true Scotsman argument because feminists number as the most significant individuals to argue for rape culture at all. And this (or something very similar) is the definition they tend to utilize. Surely many of them would find your definition to be "wrong" instead.
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[–] Dereliction 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago (edited ago)
Nah, it's a bullshit stance because it effectively argues that because choices have consequences, we don't really have a choice because all choices are coerced. That is, it equates consequences with punishment. It attempts to transform otherwise expected or superficial consequences into a platform for claiming victimization (and therefore labeling society as embracing a "rape culture.")
Here, it appears that you're using "punishment" to mean "consequence" as outlined above. If a woman turns down the advance of a man and he's upset or saddened or even angry, is that a punishment for her? Is that what you're going to describe as rape culture?
If you want to see a true rape culture, look at American male prisons. Not only can refusal to "consent" in a prison result in actual punishment, it's a place where authorities routinely overlook such violence, and where those outside prison trivialize and make humor from prison rape.
Contrast that environment to the experience of American women and there's almost none of those elements at work, certainly to a far lesser extent even when they are present, and where women, as an ordinary and frequent occurrence, reject the advances of men without any punishment at all.