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[–] darkmuffin 0 points 52 points (+52|-0) ago 

I minored in sociology in college and they did actually teach that gender is a social construct. But I think what this comic is trying to get at is that people can be born with a gender identity that conflicts with their sexual identity, or be socialized with a gender other than what they internalized. But if you're socialized with a gender then how are you born with a conflicting gender identity in the first place...?

My professors did not like that question. It was a genuine question; I still don't understand it. But I guess that's my fate as a cishet scum. :\

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[–] RexInvictus 1 points 27 points (+28|-1) ago 

The hilarious thing is that the psychologist who originally started the whole "gender is a social construct" thing was a sexual deviant and a paedophile who abused the children he was caring for.

Nevermind that the main guy who was involved in his experimentation eventually killed himself out of depression.

The university that started pushing sexual reassignment surgery (John Hopkins University) has STOPPED supporting it and now claims that transgenderism is a mental disorder and the like.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/paul-mchugh-transgender-surgery-isnt-the-solution-1402615120 http://cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/johns-hopkins-psychiatrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change

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[–] Betterkatethannever 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

That's not John Hopkins saying that, it's Dr Paul McHugh. Some of his other "theories":

  • Refers to homosexuality as "erroneous desire"
  • Filed an amicus brief arguing in favor of Proposition 8 on the basis that homosexuality is a "choice."
  • As part of the USCCB's Review Board, pushed the idea that the Catholic sex abuse scandal was not about pedophilia but about “homosexual predation on American Catholic youth.”

He also advocates Dr. Blanchard's discredited autogynephilia theory of transgenderism.

He's a fossil, and his view of gender dysphoria as a psychological disturbance has been consigned to the garbage heap of medical history, like hysteria, lunacy, and the disease view of homosexuality.

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[–] RabidRaccoon 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

The hilarious thing is that the psychologist who originally started the whole "gender is a social construct" thing was a sexual deviant and a paedophile who abused the children he was caring for.

Who was that?

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[–] BrownMoses [S] 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

Haha how exactly did your professors react when you asked them that question?

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[–] darkmuffin 0 points 18 points (+18|-0) ago 

What I was trying to ask them is if you're socialized with gender then how does one say, in the case of a transgender individual, come to identify with a gender other than what was socially assigned to them? They thought I was trying to rip into and invalidate transgender--which is not at all what I was doing--by suggesting that there was something psychologically wrong with the individual.

Basically I got politely called a close-minded cishet scum. But there was a reason I only minored in sociology in the first place.

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[–] DrBunsen 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

But if you're socialized with a gender then how are you born with a conflicting gender identity in the first place...?

exactly the point, if they didn't like that question, their entire arguments are invalid

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[–] l_l_l 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

You could go one further and ask how do you define gender at all? If gender and sex are entirely descreet, and gender is "feeling like a boy/girl" then what the fuck besides sex defines boy/girlness? Social norms? But those social norms are based on sex, and I thought gender had nothing to do with sex? It just doesn't even make sense once you've claimed that gender and sex are separate.

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[–] 0x5f3759df 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

You don't seriously expect the SJWs' rhetoric to be internally consistent, do you?

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[–] SirPremierViceroy 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Seeing as gaming is for sexist cis pigs anyway, I'd agree.

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[–] RayOfSunshine 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

It's a pretty strange game.

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[–] Fagtardicus 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

you got two arms, obviously you press them both at the same time

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[–] tchouk 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

That is super ableist, shitlord.

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[–] SirPremierViceroy 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Just a minute as I have my cake and eat it too.

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[–] lordtyp0 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I despise the trans-trendy people. I've seen a couple friends go through hell, terror of the surgery that came with the transition process. Being afraid that anyone they connect with will suddenly reject them, on said she still sees the look in the guys eyes, they hadn't done anything physical...

But these worthless fucking vile trenders, claiming Dysphoria and Dysmorphia are just patriarchy constructs. Demanding that they be called Transgender just because occasionally they like to wear frilly blouses and wear makeup, then take it off and go back to regular activities, haunting people on tumblr and other places calling them truscum and telling them they should kill themselves.

The SJWs that enable them..

I have no patience these people anymore, and getting to be where I have less verbal mercy towards them. They trivialize things people go through then shit on everyone who tries to actually make things better.

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[–] TychoVoats 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

"Tucute" trenders are a blight on the trans community and view being trans as nothing more than a fashion accessory, a "piece of flair" to stick on their vests and to bludgeon "cis" people over the head with.

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[–] Frenchgeek 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Where is the "I'm nowhere near drunk enough to even attempt to answer that" button?

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[–] EIMR 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

Those two genders don't mean the same thing. The first gender means your set of genitals, AKA dick or tits, and the second one means the characteristics, like girls like shopping, men liking violence, etc.

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[–] lmBrian 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

But if the first gender refers to your genitals, how can you be born with the wrong one? At worst, you are just a guy who likes shopping or a girl who likes violence. (if you select that button) then you still cannot at any point have a reasonable claim to psychologically wanting to change your genitals. If you select the other button, you must imply that there is something about ones gender over both your genitals and psyche, which means it would be possible for your psyche to differ from your genitals which would need corrected, but than the psychological aspect of gender would be more than a social construct. The problem remains.

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[–] ArtemisiaPoppycock 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

The term "transgender" is kind of a misnomer. It just tends to be used because a)transsexual is an older term that refers specifically to transgender who have gone through sex reassignment surgery or intend to, and b)people who identify as the other sex don't always go through sex reassignment surgery (expensive, invasive, dangerous, and the results aren't always good) even when they decide to live as the other gender.

Gender is also far more deep than the gender stereotypes u/EIMR is referring to, to the point that the differences in the brain between the two sexes (woman tend to have larger corpus callosums, allowing a better connection between the two hemispheres, whereas men tend to have more grey matter, allowing better connections within each individual hemispher) is apparent in transgenders--they literally have different brains. Some transgenders feel that they are in the wrong body so strongly that they attempt to mutilate themselves at a young age. Others feel more comfortable in their skin but still identify as the other sex, i.e. a transgender who is physically a woman but considers themselves a man, marries a woman, and undergoes hormone therapy, but keeps their vagina (their clitoris turns kind of penis-like from the testosterone, though).

Also, your ideas about gender fail to take account for hermaphrodites or women with Androgen Insensitivity syndrome--women who look like women and have vaginas and breasts and who identify as women but have Y chromosomes and are sterile with undropped testes--their bodies never reacted to male hormones and they developed fully as women.

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[–] EIMR 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Well, Gender dysphoria happens, which is a mental disorder which makes you think you should be of the opposite sex. And thus, trasgenders want to appear more like they think their desired gender is, both physically and socially. If you want to be thought of as a girl, you would do girly things. But these girly things originate from social constructs, not biology.

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[–] Draegur 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

For those of you who actually want to know what the fuck is going on for real, I have attempted to be as informative as possible below.

For those of you only here for a good time, that is understandable, please disregard.

This is a false dichotomy.

The neurological state of individuals within society are what emergently assemble "social constructs"

If one individual's neurological state only complies with the systems that their society have built in an unintended way,
(like a human with male genitalia being incapable of functioning optimally unless engaging with society as a human with female genetalia 'ought'),
that is the root of Dysphoria.

The big problem here is how we're talking about this. We're double-defining gender while actually talking about two different things.

There's an internally compulsory predisposition for behavior, we can call Component A.
There's an emergent system of rules and best practices that facilitate the operation of Components A, we can call System B.
(Component A was previously 'gender identity'. System B was previously 'gender as a social construct')

System B is optimized to support two formats of Component A.
Usually, the format of Component A a given human is running can be identified via anatomical differences.

When a human's Component A settings conflict with the anatomical flags that System B is expecting,
System B will erroneously attempt to interface with the wrong format of Component A.
This will cause discomfort, or even service disruptions.
Sometimes, once in a great while, Component A's formatting will be so corrupted that it cannot optimally function on either of the tracks System B has to offer. This can lead humans with corrupted Component A Formatting to blame the system.

And all of that basically means:
There are humans that are born with the wrong gender.
There are also humans whose gender identity is so damaged that they view the concept of gender itself to be flawed.
But it's not flawed; they are. At most, those among us who care can attempt to alleviate some discomfort. But nothing will fix it.
(at least... until we make some major strides in biotech and nanotech to patch them directly)

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